Frontier pilots vote to SAVE the airline!!

[PCL_128]

Under the definition of Major...so is Mesa

Mesa flies other airlines' code. We fly our own.

 

[Bookingsareup]

Good post. To add to it, I find it funny that there's never a plan to increase revenue, just one to cut cost.

Actually, They do have a plan to increase revenue this time. We will see if it is enough to make a difference though. Pilots, FA's Gate, Ground, etc have all taken cuts and gas is cheap. It's now time for the folks at 7001 Tower Rd. to do their part and make money. I will say this: Who ever pulled the trigger on a 25% fuel hedge at $115 pbl needs to be held accountable for their actions...Ok, now I'm getting off topic.

 

[Propsync]

Actually, They do have a plan to increase revenue this time. We will see if it is enough to make a difference though. Pilots, FA's Gate, Ground, etc have all taken cuts and gas is cheap. It's now time for the folks at 7001 Tower Rd. to do their part and make money. I will say this: Who ever pulled the trigger on a 25% fuel hedge at $115 pbl needs to be held accountable for their actions...Ok, now I'm getting off topic.

OK, we just never seem hear about that stuff here.

Remember, hedges go both ways. If fuel went to 200, you'd be mad they only did 25 percent, even though it was saving the company a ton of money. I agree though, if the person gambles and loses, so should they with their job. Otherwise, there is no incentive to hedge for the companies benefit.

 

[Bookingsareup]

OK, we just never seem hear about that stuff here.

Remember, hedges go both ways. If fuel went to 200, you'd be mad they only did 25 percent, even though it was saving the company a ton of money. I agree though, if the person gambles and loses, so should they with their job. Otherwise, there is no incentive to hedge for the companies benefit.

Agreed. I certainly enjoy my ability to have hein sight in this matter!

 

[GuppyWN]

So just how many guys are picking up extra with dudes on furlough?

Gup

 

[regionaltard]

We've got guys on furlough and the majority of the guys you talk to are picking up an additional 10-20 hrs per month.

That simple fact tells your management all that they need to know.

 

[Bookingsareup]

So just how many guys are picking up extra with dudes on furlough?

Gup

I'm not sure what you are inferring by this question. I know you can only fly up to the legal amount. I for one have always averaged around 77 hours of actual flight time each month for the last 7 airlines I have been with. The airline will staff based on, well many variables, but primarily on total hours scheduled and average hours flown by its pilots.

Some pilots (I'm not suggesting you are one) believe that if an airline furloughs pilots no one should pick up open time. I strongly disagree with this and here is why:

1. First off, most of those strong, vocal advocates against picking up open time and who try and intimidate others in fact, pick up open time themselves!
2. I fly the amount required to pay my bills. I am not going to neglect my financial obligations.
3. For those that suggest I not pick up open time- when will I be free to resume doing so, when all pilots return to the list, some, one?
4. Some furloughed pilots do not wish to return ( I personally know of at least two but, perhaps there are more that I don't even know of)
5. Some furloughed pilots have gone on to other companies and are making more than they made at Frontier. This was my situation at a previous airline where I was furloughed.
6. What about the pilot who is awarded 85 hours of credit vs another who is awarded 75 for a monthly schedule?
7. Where does this "protection" stop-just the furloughed pilots? What about those pilots who were hired and in the pool? What about pilots who were invited to interview and got canceled? Perhaps you at Southwest might have recently experienced this situation (that was not a dig).

And there are more. The point is, we as pilots want all of our Brethren who want to come back to be able to do so. However, to use a tired, overused slogan like "don't pick up open time while pilots are on furlough" gets us nowhere. Ultimately our beef is with management. We want management to do their job and manage the company to growth and profitability thus calling back all furloughed pilots and hiring new ones!

 

[GuppyWN]

However, to use a tired, overused slogan like "don't pick up open time while pilots are on furlough" gets us nowhere.

Whatever you need to tell yourself pal. While you fly extra enough to "pay your bills" just remember your BROTHERS that are unemployed and can't pay any of their bills.

Any flying over your awared line is too much. Matter of fact I'd probably have anal glaucoma every month for 3 days too!

Why don't you go ahead and give management a paycut while you're being a big ole kitty cat. Oh wait. You just did.

I'm done with you.
Gup

 

[aa73]

1. First off, most of those strong, vocal advocates against picking up open time and who try and intimidate others in fact, pick up open time themselves!
2. I fly the amount required to pay my bills. I am not going to neglect my financial obligations.
3. For those that suggest I not pick up open time- when will I be free to resume doing so, when all pilots return to the list, some, one?
4. Some furloughed pilots do not wish to return ( I personally know of at least two but, perhaps there are more that I don't even know of)
5. Some furloughed pilots have gone on to other companies and are making more than they made at Frontier. This was my situation at a previous airline where I was furloughed.
6. What about the pilot who is awarded 85 hours of credit vs another who is awarded 75 for a monthly schedule?
7. Where does this "protection" stop-just the furloughed pilots? What about those pilots who were hired and in the pool? What about pilots who were invited to interview and got canceled? Perhaps you at Southwest might have recently experienced this situation (that was not a dig).

Sounds like the same justification scabs use.

I echo GuppyWNs sentiments... whatever dude.

 

[Monster Buck]

Whatever you need to tell yourself pal. While you fly extra enough to "pay your bills" just remember your BROTHERS that are unemployed and can't pay any of their bills.

Any flying over your awared line is too much. Matter of fact I'd probably have anal glaucoma every month for 3 days too!

Why don't you go ahead and give management a paycut while you're being a big ole kitty cat. Oh wait. You just did.

I'm done with you.
Gup

I have to agree with Guppy. Anything over your line award is too much. End of discusion.