NTSB on sleeping Mesa pilots incident, pt 1

[kf4amu]

Eggs, meat, some carbos like bread. Don't skimp. That extra biscuit or slice of bacon will NOT kill you.

Nu

Where do you get this at 4am? Do you bring a skillet/griddle, pancake mix, eggs and bacon with you?

 

[densoo]

Heyas,

Seeing what crap people eat for breakfast, if at all, it doesn't surprise me that people have a hard time operating.

You just (hopefully) slept 6-7 hours, add to that a couple of hours before hand, plus an hour and a bit to get ready and get to work, and you've just fasted for 12+ hours. Your blood sugar is at it's lowest ebb. When your mom told you it was the most important meal of the day, she wasn't kidding.

People, you HAVE to eat in the morning! And not crap like a danish or all carbs like a cold bowl of cereal. You need a balanced meal of protein AND carbs.

Eggs, meat, some carbos like bread. Don't skimp. That extra biscuit or slice of bacon will NOT kill you.

Nu

With a 430am hotel van, it is unusual to be in a hotel with a restaurant open that time of day. More likely than not, the food establishments in the airport aren't even open yet, if you're in an airport big enough to have them. I guess these guys were in their homes, but most pilots are not during a multi-day trip. Food on planes went away a long time ago. Are there even any airlines left that actually cater food for the crew? American or Delta maybe. I think one still has a contract that if a first class meal is served on the flight, then they will catered for the pilots to have one, too. Below legacy though, I'm not sure there is even that.

 

[WSurf]

so you want to ban early flight ops? give me a break they had rest of 13 hours min. this just makes all pilots look bad

What? You wake-up at 3am for a 4am report.... Fly 8 legs and finish 12-14hrs later!!!!

Are you kidding, that is hard F'in work!

You can have 13 hrs of duty free time, but if the company is going from AM to PM to AM it can be tuff on your sleeping patterns.

For a 3am wake-up then you need to be sleeping by 7pm. Not making accuses, but for you to think that doesn't make for a hard day is just silly.

 

[Raoul Duke]

read the NTSB description all of their trips were 4 am to 2 pm. It may be hard but it is not unsafe.

 

[satpak77]

FYI I bring Clif-Bars with me at all times, and lots of bottled water. They taste the best of all the nutritional bars, and pack like 250 calories.

If no restaurant is expected for a meal (this could be breakfast, or lunch, or even dinner), I will eat half of one like one hour before my normal meal time, drink lots of water, then maybe 30 minutes past my meal time, eat the other half, along with lots of water.

Breakfast is THE most important meal of the day. If you go to sleep at 11 PM, and don't eat breakfast, then eat lunch, you basically fasted for 12 hours. Not good.

I also recommend an apple or even a handful of pretzels at bedtime to keep the blood sugar up.

fly safe, this could happen to any of us.

 

[Ty Webb]

Rah-Tool

fly safe, this could happen to any of us.

Except for Raoul. If he falls asleep at his desk, he won't end up on the news, he'll just miss his tee-time :laugh:.

TW

 

[milky]

Where do you get this at 4am? Do you bring a skillet/griddle, pancake mix, eggs and bacon with you?

Denny's. Waffle house. Yum.

 

[WSurf]

Denny's. Waffle house. Yum.

Heheh, yea the Waffle House at 4am and then by 9am you'll surely have the schlitz!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Where do you get this at 4am? Do you bring a skillet/griddle, pancake mix, eggs and bacon with you?

Waffle House....They're everywhere.

(Milky beat me to it...ooops)

 

[Stifler's Mom]

The captain said that he snored loudly at night, and that he had raised the issue with his personal physician in December 2007. He stated that his physician had told him to lose weight, eat less salt, and relax.

My wife told me that this could be prevented by wearing a jockstrap.

Evidently, female research shows that men snore when their balls cover their a$shole and vapor lock ensues.

 

[Bringupthebird]

An undiagnosed medical condition doesn't explain intentional napping that he admitted to. It explains this unintentional nap, but it can't justify his naps that he took on purpose. I'm not condemning the guy for taking naps, since we've all been tired flying regional schedules, but admitting to it is just a bad idea. It makes us all look bad in the press, and it makes his case much more difficult when he tries to keep his certs and job.

Sleep apnea is medically disqualifying. He's probably out on permanent disability so he may not care about covering for inhumane scheduling anymore.

 

[Long Time Gone]

Why is this even in the Majors section?

 

[NuGuy]

Where do you get this at 4am? Do you bring a skillet/griddle, pancake mix, eggs and bacon with you?

Laugh all you want, but the railroaders have in their contracts that any hotel MUST have hot food available 24/7. MOT is such a place, so when we stayed there, we got to benefit from it.

Also, at 10 hours duty, the train stops...wherever it is.

If it matters, you make it happen...oh yea, they're under the RLA, too.

Nu

 

[kf4amu]

Laugh all you want, but the railroaders have in their contracts that any hotel MUST have hot food available 24/7. MOT is such a place, so when we stayed there, we got to benefit from it.

Also, at 10 hours duty, the train stops...wherever it is.

If it matters, you make it happen...oh yea, they're under the RLA, too.

Nu

Well I agree we should have that...but what airlines do?

 

[AirportBum]

My wife told me that this could be prevented by wearing a jockstrap.

Evidently, female research shows that men snore when their balls cover their a$shole and vapor lock ensues.

This is my vote for FI funniest post of 2009 so far. I'm still laughing out loud.

I only wish I had this explanation of vapor lock when I was flight instructing. :laugh: