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flygirlqt said:
Let him keep talking, it is actually pretty funny. Maybe lucky is just bitter about his own pension that he has to comically attempt to knock down other plans?
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What part of a 17 year funding schedule doesn't CAL understand? AMR pilots get it. AMR pilots are retiring 30-60 a month. CAL pilots? I don't think so, they are too stupid.
 
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ATRCA said:
I never said CAL was all that special. The fact is though that the UAL folks seem to be very keen on merging with CAL. CAL folks seem to want nothing to do with it. The UAL folks should move to rid themselves of Tilton. Absent a merger, what is UAL's plan to become viable? How can a merger be a business plan?
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What is it you didn't understand about my post (opinion)?

UAL has no business plan in the airline world. Their business plan is to position the company in such a way as to funnel loads of cash into senior managements pocket.

You are right though....we need to rid ourselves of tilton and his gang of thieves. The best way to do this is get the board to agree....but they're too busy golfing....with tilton.

Oh, IMHO, CAL is not that much different, which brings me back to my original point. G'day.
 
flygirlqt said:
UAL's only problems right now are Tilton? LOL..OK.
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Well as Chairman of the Board, President, and CEO of UAL that's a good place to start eh? Oh, he heads the ATA too.

That's a good sized problem no? Get rid of him and put in place somebody creative enough to increase revenue streams and most problems are solved. Its far easier in the short-term to slash costs only and pocket bonuses.



Are you the pilot in that video?
 
Fact: There is nobody worse than Tilton. If you believe the hype, there's nobody better than Kellner. Peal back a few layers and both companies ain't doing too great. Scale out all factors and I think it's too close to call as to what pilot group is better off long term.

CAL's A plan is going to get leveraged against our scope clause IMHO. That's why the funding isn't solvent. The CALALPA tool bags put a bullseye on the pilot plan when the divided it from the company wide CARP. Larry put the early ret. window out there and more should have taken it. But honestly, if he doubled the amount he would not have doubled the participation. And he knows that; That was a calculated number. He knows he has a whole bunch of stupid-acting, senior CAL guys who will keep showing up no matter. Larry doesn't know for certain if he will win or lose the showdown over CAL scope vs. CAL A plan. Having put the early out dollars on the table, if he losses on scope and the A plan gets scuttled, he can say he tried to help them. They were too stupid to go.

Pension concerns at CAL need to be a distant second to preserving the scope clause.
 
BTW: I've flown with CA Kahn quite a bit. That video is a bit corny. She is great to fly with IMHO. Knows her sh!T!
 
contrail67 said:
EXACTLY. There is nothing special about CAL.
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United brings exactly what to the party? Old aircraft with no new airframes on order, hemorrhaging cash, liquidating assets, loan covenants continually being renegotiated, huge losses on fuel hedging which actually is incredible with an ex oil man running you into the ground. Shall I go on?

I agree, were nothing special. Many of us implore you to start a petition to Tilton to stay away from CAL. Do us all a favor will you?
 
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contrail67 said:
It was because CAL did not want to end up out in the cold...they needed to hook up with someone...they had a choice...and did not join up with AA.
CAL has no room to complain about UAL...they had a choice in the matter...period.
There is a reason for all of this...yet to be seen. Read the orginal post...usually alliance partners don't buy fuel together and share ticket counters, and the pilot unions are in an alliance together too....
Don't be surprised if they get soooo close that if they announce a merger...nothing seems different. It is cheaper to do it that way.
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it is also an equal possibility that they are just going to realize most of the benefits of a merger, ie bigger route structure, more feed into hubs, and so on without merging. i don't have any idea where they are going to get the capital in this environment for a merger. if we really wanted to merge with UAL, it would have already happened. why would they change their minds now? because they are afraid of losing business travelers to a bigger Delta route structure, but if they can solve that problem with an alliance, why merge???
 
flygirlqt said:
Judging how quickly you spread your legs before during the bankruptcy sham, excuse me I meant process, I am sure he'll be coming back for more. When Tilton gets done bending you over
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Do you kiss your mother with those lips because you sound nasty.

Where do you think UAL bankruptcy pilot contract standards came from? UAL's pilot contract was modeled after CAL's. CAL has always set the lowest industry standard by which all legacies carriers have been reduced too. Thanks CAL for nothing.
 
luckytohaveajob said:
Where do you think UAL bankruptcy pilot contract standards came from? UAL's pilot contract was modeled after CAL's. CAL has always set the lowest industry standard by which all legacies carriers have been reduced too. Thanks CAL for nothing.
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Interesting comments since CAL didn't actively screw the retirees during bankruptcy like you Brain Surgeons did. Lowest industry standards? I believe that belongs to US. Yet let me remind you again that the present crap contract we work under today was alpa negotiated. Actually calling this negotiated is a joke in itself.

But keep complaining, with all the skeletons in the closet over there at UAL your arrogance and hypocritical attacks are quite amusing. Followed by your complete ignorance about the A plan at CAL continues to be comical. That whole lump sum option some have here still irritates you doesn't it? Incidentally, CAL paid out roughly $84 million in lump sum payments to retiring pilots this year alone.

As I said before, given comparable financial condition of the two carriers, you'll be lucky to hang on to the terms of your decimated contract. Tilton will come back for more because he knows guys like you will do anything to hang on to your jobs. You have proven him right twice before.

luckytohaveajob said:
Do you kiss your mother with those lips because you sound nasty.
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Yes, I can be very nasty with the right kind of guy. However, I picture you as an overweight, balding guy with a really bad attitude so your chances of having a shot at me would be less than zero.
 
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Mr.B said:
No. But I just envisioned you looking like her.
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Crockett was a guy, maybe that went over your head and it was too difficult for you.

Tell you what though..when I was putting myself through school working at Hooters, I modeled on one of their calenders. So grab some tissues and have fun with that.
 
flygirlqt said:
United brings exactly what to the party? Old aircraft with no new airframes on order, hemorrhaging cash, liquidating assets, loan covenants continually being renegotiated, huge losses on fuel hedging which actually is incredible with an ex oil man running you into the ground. Shall I go on?

I agree, were nothing special. Many of us implore you to start a petition to Tilton to stay away from CAL. Do us all a favor will you?
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Why would UAL need orders if CAL has them on order....I don't recal CAL posting record profits either....and they are building cash...is CAL? On a side note I bet you did look hot in your hooters outfit though...
 
contrail67 said:
Why would UAL need orders if CAL has them on order....I don't recal CAL posting record profits either....and they are building cash...is CAL? On a side note I bet you did look hot in your hooters outfit though...
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Thats right those are our aircraft orders. Didn't United just post having only 2 billion in cash at the end of the 4th qtr which is less then we have and you guys are bigger then us for now.

I don't want this merger but my opinion and everyone elses won't matter, if the top guys want this to happen it will. We need to stop fighting each other if this happens and make sure that the combined contract includes better work rules, better pay, and stronger Scope.

And I guess that if it does happen what do you bet that our SLI will mirror DAL/NW.
 
flygirlqt said:
when I was putting myself through school working at Hooters, I modeled on one of their calenders.
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Ok, I usually stay out of these discussions but just couldn't let this pass...

FGqt-
When do we get to fly together!!!

LOL

Happy Holidays~
Motch
 

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