NJA Struggling?

[BeeDubya]

Once again, this proves my point. Unions fail to act when the pressure is on and when they do, it's never enough and the collateral damage to non union workers is always staggering. But I guess those in aviation that love their unions will get exactly what they asked for. Nothing.

B19,

It proves that some Unions fail. Painting with broad brushes or categorically applying examples of "some" to "all" is simply flawed logic.

I will agree with you that many Unions, aviation and otherwise, have failed to serve their members and not been willing to work with management for mutual benefit. Likewise, many management "teams" have failed their employees and have not been willing to work with their employees (Union or non-Union) for mutual benefit.

Personally, I'd rather judge each Union and management team on their own merits. Some will probably be good, others bad, but very few "shining knights" or "psychopathic evil."

Just my $0.02.

 

[JungleJett]

Have you guys ever thought you might be contributing to the declining mental faculties and reasoning abilities of this B19 person? You are feeding his paranoia of unions by responding to him. You are not doing him or his therapist any favors by interacting with him.

 

[RNObased]

Have you guys ever thought you might be contributing to the declining mental faculties and reasoning abilities of this B19 person? You are feeding his paranoia of unions by responding to him. You are not doing him or his therapist any favors by interacting with him.

Valid point.

 

[o2bflyn]

Yeah... apparently the UAW is acting like ALPA and all the other aviation unions, no matter how bad it is, you can't adjust to industry standard... even if it is the taxpayers that are the ones paying the tab to keep the industry afloat. Yep, great comparison here... but if the UAW doesn't smarten up quickly and set an example, the big three are going to be Toyota, Honda and Nissan.

Yep, the unions will fight for their workers right up until the doors are locked and the paychecks stop.

Once again, this proves my point. Unions fail to act when the pressure is on and when they do, it's never enough and the collateral damage to non union workers is always staggering. But I guess those in aviation that love their unions will get exactly what they asked for. Nothing.

Come on...you can do better than that. You are comparing apples and oranges here.

 

[NJAowner]

Efficiencies

Well my $$ is where my mouth (or keyboard) is.

I think that NJA is the best fractional to handle a downturn in flying. Period. I also think that NJA will not furlough pilots until ablsolutely necessary. NJA would liek nothing else for marketing purposes than to coontinue to show that it is the stongest financially in the business. That way, unlike buying a card, when y9u buy a share you are entrusting the company not only to fly you safely, but to manage your multimillion dollar asset well. Those without financial strength will have trouble convincing owners of this. Thus far, NJA has not copied any of the "savings programs for owners" such as limiting days of flights or being able to change your flight by an hour or two to save you $$.

There will always be inefficiencies at NJA. I posted many months ago that one of the goals of NJA service s to have a plane ready when and where the owner wants it. Period. Unfortunately, to be able to do this can be quite inefficient. However, I the owner want this serivce, accept and pay for the inefficiency. CS for example cna save you $$ is they can move your flight an hour in either direction and will cinfirm the exact time the night before. This is highly efficient -- think of the times NJA could use one plane instead of 2 if it could move the first flight an hour earlier and the 2nd flight an hour later (I arrive at airport KXXX at 3 p.m. and owner 2 wants to leave at 3 pm. Move my flight to a 2 pm arrival and his to a 4 pm departure and the operator can use 1 jet and crew instead of 2. Highly efficient; low customer service). But the owners want to go when they want to go. Period.

Fly safe.

 

[skiandsurf]

CS for example cna save you $$ is they can move your flight an hour in either direction and will cinfirm the exact time the night before. This is highly efficient -- think of the times NJA could use one plane instead of 2 if it could move the first flight an hour earlier and the 2nd flight an hour later (I arrive at airport KXXX at 3 p.m. and owner 2 wants to leave at 3 pm. Move my flight to a 2 pm arrival and his to a 4 pm departure and the operator can use 1 jet and crew instead of 2. Highly efficient; low customer service). But the owners want to go when they want to go. Period.

Fly safe.

I thought NJs had the ability to do the same thing. Its an offer made to the owner, that can be turned down. (what do I know, I just fly them).

I would think that NJs could also get into the charter side of things. With the size of the NJs fleet, I would think that NJs could fly charter flights for less than the competition (less ferry times).

 

[Trash8Mofo]

Be fearful when others are greedy, but greedy when others are fearful. -WB

I think at this point, RTS is not reacting to how the other fractional are behaving, but rather how NJA can increase market shares and provides better Return On Investment for the owners. Like SWA is waiting for UA and Frontier to weaken and move into Denver, NJA is doing the same in the fractional world (I hope).

 

[LukinUp]

Originally Posted by Diesel
Relax everything will be fine. Everyone is in a downturn but there are 5 year contracts.

Not according to this...

http://www.fractrade.com/

Yeah but they would still have to "sell" their share to get out. Pretty sure the market is saturated right now.

 

[7on7Off]

First of all ... there will not be any furloughs.

Aircraft are being delivered. When that changes ... lets talk again.

Little fuel for the rumor fire... I heard that NJA has canceled most if not all of their Cessna delivieries for 2009?

Comments?

 

[brokeflyer]

yeah we're even giving a lot of planes back.....does that make everyone happy now?

EVERYTHING sucks right now, so whatever you can think of that's bad is probly happening. NJA will lay-off, we're giving planes back, we're losing owners.

There now we can talk about football.