NJA Struggling?

[glasspilot]

Is this meant to be sarcastic? You're just proving my point...there are many other ways that NetJets can save money before they start furloughing. I'm sure they'll exhaust all options before layoffs...that's just how they roll.


After a statement like that, I don't believe you.

Maybe times are so good that multiple presents through out the year are warranted. What do I know. If they are then great, enjoy.

I can think that NetJet market share will decrease causing stagnation without hoping ill on any pilot out there. I truly do wish the best for all of us. I also happen to think it's going to be a bumpy road as well.

 

[glasspilot]

dude. you're a dumbas*

guess what? we do have career FO's. they can make up to 70K their first year and over six figures after a few years.

the reason we sit at hotels and FBO's is because we aren't hiring outside contractors, like your dumba*s

I guess I am a dumba*s cause I've read your last sentence about a dozen times and have no idea what you're trying to say..

You sit around more because you don't hire contractors? You'd think you'd sit around less if all the flying is done by you.

You sit at hotels and FBO's? What's that got to do with anything? My point was if you just agreed to answer your phone at the hotel you could stay on rest and the company would get better utilization because now when you report you have a full duty cycle in front of you instead of having already burned up 7 or however many hours in an FBO.

You don't hire outside contractors like my dumbas*? What does that mean? Do you think I hire contractors? I did have my trees trimed a few weeks ago. Guess I'm a dumbas*.

 

[Willy21]

Sitting at the hotel waiting for a phone call is not rest. You are either on duty or off duty. If I am off duty I can not be required to answer the phone. By your example a pilot could be waiting in a hotel at 0800. At 1500 he/she gets a phone call for an ASAP trip. It takes you 1 hour to get airborn (really 1.5) Ferry TEB-PWM (1.5 hour block), show 1 hour before a pax flight PWM-LAX ( 6.5 hours block) and 30 minutes to shut the airplane down and go to the hotel. By my math that is 17.5 hours of duty. Do you think that is safe?

 

[brokeflyer]

Sitting at the hotel waiting for a phone call is not rest. You are either on duty or off duty. If I am off duty I can not be required to answer the phone. By your example a pilot could be waiting in a hotel at 0800. At 1500 he/she gets a phone call for an ASAP trip. It takes you 1 hour to get airborn (really 1.5) Ferry TEB-PWM (1.5 hour block), show 1 hour before a pax flight PWM-LAX ( 6.5 hours block) and 30 minutes to shut the airplane down and go to the hotel. By my math that is 17.5 hours of duty. Do you think that is safe?

its illegal.....so we haven't even got to "safe" yet.

that is how managers imporve their bottom line, by cutting corners and making unsafe working conditions. Everyone wants to be paid more for less work, management are the only ones that have the power to ACT on that. When an accident occours its not managements ass, its the pilots ass, they WILL be paid for that.

 

[gunfyter]

It is legal if you volunteer to be contactable and you have the ability to refuse the trip.

 

[starcheckdriver]

jppt2000,

I guess I should have been keeping up with the thread since there were several posts made regarding me starting this thread. I did not start this thread to be malicious and I am certainly not a NJA hater. I want to work at NJA more than anything. It has been a career goal of mine for some time now.

And yes, I did interview at NJA. And no, I did not develop a bad attitude toward the company because I wasn't hired in a specified amount of time. Do I wish I had been hired by now? Heck yes because I want to work there! Am I mad because I have not been hired yet? Heck no! I am just happy to still be in the mix and to not have not received a rejection notice yet.

As for why I started the thread....A guy I know claims he has "higher up" contacts at NJA and that he was told furloughs are coming soon. I found it hard to believe and figured maybe someone on this board would know the truth or at least be able to squash the rumor. I'm sorry if any of you feel I was malicious or attempting to stir the pot. It was not my intention.

I wish NJA and all pilots at all companies the best of luck during these tough economic times. And, I want nothing more than to be a NJA pilot in the near future.

 

[Corporate Dude]

As for why I started the thread....A guy I know claims he has "higher up" contacts at NJA and that he was told furloughs are coming soon.

Care to ellaborate???? Is this person a management employee at NJA? Flight Coordinator? NJASAP Steward? Janitor at the local Waffle House?

Throw us a bone here! Don't need the persons name or anything but my goodness gracious, give us a little more info than just "a guy I know claims".

Thx

 

[brokeflyer]

my "guy" is higher up than your guy....and he says everything fine......even if it wasnt, im sure this would be the last place the breaking info is posted. I know most of you wanna see NJA fail because we're successful, but remember, most of us that have been as long as me really had to drink our own piss for many years.

things have only really been good since '05.

 

[jppt2000]

Uhhh, by definition all rumors are unsubstantiated. That's why they're called rumors.

The guy heard a rumor, he went to a source that might actually know something about it and asked whether or not there was any validity to the rumor. He didn't start the rumor. He politely asked if there was any truth to it. Ready, fire, aim.

Many different ways to ask that question.
thread title grabs your attention?
Maybe you have the answer for all I know.
I'm done with this thread.
Probably gonna read a book, and just for the haters,
update my resume.

 

[starcheckdriver]

I don't know who his "higher up" contacts are. He mentioned it was someone who is a liason between the pilots and upper management. I don't know enough about NJA to even begin to speculate who his contacts are.

I took what he said with a grain of salt because furloughs at NJA don't sound very likely at this point. That is why I posted what I heard on FI in the hopes that someone could validate or squash the rumor I heard. Again, I don't know who his contact is other than a liason between upper management and the pilots.

I'm sorry I brought up the subject. As always, I wish every pilot the best of luck in these trying times.

 

[glasspilot]

Sitting at the hotel waiting for a phone call is not rest. You are either on duty or off duty. If I am off duty I can not be required to answer the phone. By your example a pilot could be waiting in a hotel at 0800. At 1500 he/she gets a phone call for an ASAP trip. It takes you 1 hour to get airborn (really 1.5) Ferry TEB-PWM (1.5 hour block), show 1 hour before a pax flight PWM-LAX ( 6.5 hours block) and 30 minutes to shut the airplane down and go to the hotel. By my math that is 17.5 hours of duty. Do you think that is safe?

This is a bit of a side topic of the thread, but I can't stop myself:

I agree with you. But, if you follow that train down the track you end up with the company just saying "screw it. You're on duty and go to the airport!"

I DO NOT WANT TO SPEND MY CAREER SITTING AT AIRPORTS!!!!

I would much rather answer the phone while on "rest". At my company they can only call you once during the 10 hour required rest. After that they can call all they want and I answer. This has NEVER been a problem. 99% of the time I get my trips the night before. If on the one off time something happened in the wee hours and I get a call moving up the show time and I get a call then oh well.

I would vastly prefer that to endless days sitting in an FBO with nothing on the horizon for the sole reason of the company forcing me to answer my phone since I'm on duty. No sir, leave me in the hotel and I'll be a man and answer the phone.

The whole "don't interrupt my duty" thing is more suited for the airlines where they have a defined schedule for the whole month. Here our lives change from day to day. I do not want a job where I work 12 hours, go to the hotel for 10 hours and report right back while they think of what to do with me. That's what you get from playing the "rest" game. There's no way to win that battle.

Enjoy your airport rot while I relax in the hotel.

 

[Willy21]

Last tour I spent 3 days at the Hyatt in CMH on duty at the hotel. I had a set number of hours that I had to answer the phone. That is how it is done at NetJets. If they need you at the airport they send you to the airport. If they don't need you at the airport they leave you at the hotel or better yet they send you home a day early.

I will continue to play the rest game. It is what our clients pay for, a safe and well rested crew. We don't fly tired and we don't work for more than 14 hours a day. Read that as we will not be required to answer a phone during a rest period.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

I am hearing rumors trickle out of Netjets that furloughs are just around the corner. Is there any truth to this or is this just rumor based on what happened at FLOPs recently? I do not work for NJA so all of this is hearsay.

Keep Dream'n D#ck head. Stop Hate'n because you got turned down.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

1 guy I know there says the numbers of new customers is constant, but flying hours are down, so they are actually making MORE money as they have the same revenue with less expenses.

With this scenario, they could be losing $ in the Marquis Card area, however.

cliff
YIP

 

[starcheckdriver]

Keep Dream'n D#ck head. Stop Hate'n because you got turned down.

Thanks for the inisghtful reply. By the way, I have yet to be turned down so maybe with a little luck, the two of us dickheads might fly together some day!

 

[jaybird]

I don't know who his "higher up" contacts are. He mentioned it was someone who is a liason between the pilots and upper management. I don't know enough about NJA to even begin to speculate who his contacts are.

I took what he said with a grain of salt because furloughs at NJA don't sound very likely at this point. That is why I posted what I heard on FI in the hopes that someone could validate or squash the rumor I heard. Again, I don't know who his contact is other than a liason between upper management and the pilots.

I'm sorry I brought up the subject. As always, I wish every pilot the best of luck in these trying times.

Dude, you don't start a thread like this unless you want to stir the pot. That's what flightinfo is all about though.

 

[flagshipper]

I don't know who his "higher up" contacts are. He mentioned it was someone who is a liason between the pilots and upper management. I don't know enough about NJA to even begin to speculate who his contacts are.

I took what he said with a grain of salt because furloughs at NJA don't sound very likely at this point. That is why I posted what I heard on FI in the hopes that someone could validate or squash the rumor I heard. Again, I don't know who his contact is other than a liason between upper management and the pilots.

I'm sorry I brought up the subject. As always, I wish every pilot the best of luck in these trying times.

Is this the same contact who told you there was going to be a Decemeber Indoc class a few weeks ago? Now he or she is telling you they are going to furlough. Your contact's running record is not that good. Putting it up on FI hoping a "credible" source would squash it is bs. Who is credible on FI? Tell your source to make you so more bagel bites and refill your juice cup.

 

[starcheckdriver]

Is this the same contact who told you there was going to be a Decemeber Indoc class a few weeks ago? Now he or she is telling you they are going to furlough. Your contact's running record is not that good. Putting it up on FI hoping a "credible" source would squash it is bs. Who is credible on FI? Tell your source to make you so more bagel bites and refill your juice cup.

No, it is not the same source. And you're right about no one on FI being credible. Lesson learned. I won't be posting anything about NJA rumors again. I thought an honest question might generate some honest answers and opinions. I was wrong in my thinking. Big surprise! It was stupid of me to think the kids playing on FI could grow up enough and act like adults when responding to my honest inquiry about NJA and whether they are struggling.

 

[brokeflyer]

does it look like they're struggling?.......you can answer your own question.

But at first impression your thread was just asking for trouble.

 

[Ultra Grump]

I don't know who his "higher up" contacts are. He mentioned it was someone who is a liason between the pilots and upper management.

The liaison between the pilots and management is the union Executive Board. I'm pretty sure they haven't been starting any furlough rumors.