Southwest Airlines questions

[Captzaahlie]

Clown,

Do you feel it when you fart?

I'm sure he feels it but only if he puts his hand

down there.....:laugh:

I'm surprised if Tanker Clown has any flatulence

I'm guessing he never stops running his mouth

long enough to build up any pressure.

 

[Caveman]

I'm not a SWA pilot so this is just an outside observers opinion.

All you have to do is look at airline history to see what happens when management is allowed to outsource any flying. Look at what happened to the legacy carriers.

If you are already in the left seat be prepared to watch your relative seniority stagnate. No more looking forward to the day when you can finally hold some holidays or weekends off.

If you are ready to upgrade be prepared to wait some more. Potentially a lot more. When you do upgrade you'll be sitting reserve at a base you may not like for a lot longer than you originally thought.

If you are on the bottom half of the FO seniority list you may never see a decent line as a Captain. Ask any 18 year American Airlines FO how they like the way things have played out. Yeah, they can hold CA but on narrow body a/c out of a domicile that just doesn't work for them.

Seriously, the only people that would benefit from agreeing to any outsourcing are those senior Captains that already have choice schedules. They get the benefit of more money, more vacation and more whatever else. Everybody else will feel the pain of outsourcing to one degree or another.

Just say no. Don't do it or you'll regret it later.

 

[Whataburger]

I agree with the above post.
But can a Jet Blue guy give their opinion of how the RJs on their certificate has helped/hurt them?
I'm curious if a second type (RJ) that WE fly would be a good move. Jet Blue style.

 

[The Victors]

I agree with the above post.
But can a Jet Blue guy give their opinion of how the RJs on their certificate has helped/hurt them?
I'm curious if a second type (RJ) that WE fly would be a good move. Jet Blue style.

Good question. Anybody??

 

[murano]

Seriously, the only people that would benefit from agreeing to any outsourcing are those senior Captains that already have choice schedules. They get the benefit of more money, more vacation and more whatever else. Everybody else will feel the pain of outsourcing to one degree or another.

...and guess who's on the BOD and Negotiation Committee?
​

 

[Scope out RJ's]

We're trying to get a large contingent to text-in Dancing with the Stars to get Warren Sapp back into the swing of things. I personally want to see Brook Bourke back in Playboy.

Actually our contract is being negotiated right now, and a big hang-up is everyone's opinion on what the pilots, union, and company should allow on the section of our contract regarding Codeshare. Allegedly there is a TA on the language and that, along with the contract will be up for vote sooner than later.

Maybe when you get your furlough after the reduction in flying, you can fly for one of the rj feeders that Southwest is contracting out to.

 

[Whataburger]

Maybe when you get your furlough after the reduction in flying, you can fly for one of the rj feeders that Southwest is contracting out to.

Maybe. Which one should I apply to? You have give away Billions in revenue and countless jobs to RJ feeders, enlighten me oh wise one.

 

[Whataburger]

...and guess who's on the BOD and Negotiation Committee?​

Wierd and wacky small world huh? I bet the ATA folks are pretty happy with that.

 

[Caveman]

I agree with the above post.
But can a Jet Blue guy give their opinion of how the RJs on their certificate has helped/hurt them?
I'm curious if a second type (RJ) that WE fly would be a good move. Jet Blue style.

All the new jobs at JetBlue are on the 190. There hasn't been an Airbus pilot hired in months. The Airbus fleet has stagnated just exactly as I described above. Even so, I'd MUCH rather we add airplanes and pilots to our seniority list than to somebody elses. I don't like the pay rates on the 190, but it's still better that JetBlue pilots are flying them. IMO if SWA is determined to fly smaller aircraft you guys would be better off in the long run if you keep it in house.

 

[Whataburger]

All the new jobs at JetBlue are on the 190. There hasn't been an Airbus pilot hired in months. The Airbus fleet has stagnated just exactly as I described above. Even so, I'd MUCH rather we add airplanes and pilots to our seniority list than to somebody elses. I don't like the pay rates on the 190, but it's still better that JetBlue pilots are flying them. IMO if SWA is determined to fly smaller aircraft you guys would be better off in the long run if you keep it in house.

Agreed. All legacies farmed-out this flying. In my opinion it gave away growth. I would rather fly a RJ at less pay than give the flying to someone else.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Maybe. Which one should I apply to? You have give away Billions in revenue and countless jobs to RJ feeders, enlighten me oh wise one.

Oh how short your memory is old wise one.....
Million dollar losses, code sharing, contract negotiations stalling, stock price down 50%. Looks like you should watch where you throw those stones in that glass house sport!

Southwest Airlines reports first quarterly loss in 17 years

Southwest Airlines posted its first quarterly loss in more than 17 years Thursday, after being hit by an accounting charge to reduce the value of its fuel hedging contracts.
The Dallas-based airline said it lost $120 million during the quarter, after having to record a $247 million charge to reflect the drop in value of its hedging contracts, which allow it to purchase jet fuel in advance at predetermined prices.
Under accounting rules, the airline is required to reduce the value of the contracts on the books if fuel prices are falling.
Not including the one-time charge, the airline reported a profit of $69 million for the third quarter, compared with a profit of $162 million in the same period a year ago.
Gary Kelly, the airline's chief executive, said the fuel contracts are still an overall benefit to the airline. He said they saved the carrier has saved $1.3 billion on fuel prices during the first three quarters of this year.
He also said that a decline in jet fuel prices is a positive development for the airline despite the accounting charges.
"I can assure you that falling energy prices is a great thing for Southwest Airlines," he said in a conference call with reporters Thursday morning. He noted that the airline still purchases some of its fuel at market prices.
Kelly said that revenues were strong during the quarter, up nearly 12 percent compared with the third quarter of 2007. But he said the airline is worried about how the slowing economy will impact demand for travel.
"We're very concerned about the economy, especially after the first of the year," he said. Bookings for the rest of the year "look fine," he said, "but certainly for next year, I'm not willing to make any predictions."
The airline stands to benefit, Kelly said, from moves by competitors to cut capacity. Other airlines are cutting the number of available seats by 15 percent in markets where they compete with Southwest.
"That's a very significant shock absorber for declining demand in this recession," he said.
He also pointed to Southwest's lack of fees on items like checked bags or reserved seats. The airline has been advertising heavily in recent months as the "no-fee" carrier.
"I'm very confident we are winning new customers," he said. Employees tell him of many cases "where customers say they are coming to us specifically because we aren't charging the baggage fees."

 

[The Victors]

You're an idiot

 

[Scope out RJ's]

You're an idiot

Another PFT expert heard from!

 

[Caveman]

What I find extraordinary is that we still have to explain this to some folks. Regardless of your background (mil vs civ) this should be a no brainer to anybody that has paid any attention to the industry over the last ten years.

BTW, I agree with the previous poster that talked about voting as if you were the junior guy on property. If a vote isn't good for almost everybody then it isn't a good vote.

 

[Whataburger]

Oh how short your memory is old wise one.....
Million dollar losses, code sharing, contract negotiations stalling, stock price down 50%. Looks like you should watch where you throw those stones in that glass house sport!

Southwest Airlines reports first quarterly loss in 17 years

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Yes, all the above is truely unfortunate. I hope our company as a whole has reversed the trend and is making wise forward-looking decisions. Definetly a wake up call for our company. Our pilot group will have to make smart moves very soon. I just hope we can think with our brains and not our emotions.

I bet you company has lost Billions.
I bet your company has a code share partener.
I bet your company has had stalled contract talks.
I bet your stock is down greater than 50%.
What's this about stones and kettles and stuff?

 

[Benhuntn]

Gup I think Cola is fair and have never opposed Cola. The company offered Cola and the BOD turned it down.

 

[Daddy]

Ben, the company offered COLA?!? What are you smokin?

 

[Benhuntn]

H. upman "churchill" what are you smoking? It came from a good source, one that doesn't lie.

 

[400ADude]

Gup I think Cola is fair and have never opposed Cola. The company offered Cola and the BOD turned it down.

The BOD hasn't voted on anything yet.

Who is your source??? Len Legge???:laugh: Say hello to him for me.

 

[RedDogC130]

H. upman "churchill" what are you smoking? It came from a good source, one that doesn't lie.

I bet that source is the same idiot who told Tanker Clown he would fit in here....you both are from the same mold.....and I mean the growth under my toilet.