Does Jetblue have any SCOPE?

[coogebeachhotel]

And off-load 1.5 billion in long term debt in the process

 

[J Dawg]

Have you seen their 190 rates? ouch

Yes; about 10% higher than the union pilots at US Airways.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Yes; about 10% higher than the union pilots at US Airways.

Yeah -- I am not sure that's worth bragging about.

 

[Pilotbob3]

They did that already. They lowered first year pay. It's still an upgrade from Cape Air though.

Those that got pay raises did so because JetBlue found a way to finance them and make them cost neutral.

PTS for example. Now I just fly sick rather than lose the premium pay.

Sorry, back to scope.

False, individual contracts with the pay rates prevent them lowering pay. the first year guys on the property were grandfathered in because of the contract. new hires will get the lower rate, but no one has it now.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

False, individual contracts with the pay rates prevent them lowering pay. the first year guys on the property were grandfathered in because of the contract. new hires will get the lower rate, but no one has it now.

Semantics. Whether we have any on property is immaterial. The rate was indeed lowered in the 2008 Amendment to the PEA. Did you ever think that one of the results of the PCRB would be to lower any pay rates?

What's to keep them from lowering it further, like CAL's first year rate for example?

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Yes; about 10% higher than the union pilots at US Airways.

Any thier soft time rules?

 

[Pilotbob3]

Semantics. Whether we have any on property is immaterial. The rate was indeed lowered in the 2008 Amendment to the PEA. Did you ever think that one of the results of the PCRB would be to lower any pay rates?

What's to keep them from lowering it further, like CAL's first year rate for example?

Semantics? its a fact. It is material. Yes, it is the only pay rate that JB can lower, First year not on the property yet new hires. whats to keep them from lowering it like to CAL's first year rate? Why don't you ask ALPA how they got it there.

 

[9rj9]

scope? who cares...every major caved on scope in the last 7 years. Delta keeps moving the line in the sand, first it was 50 seaters, then 70, next is the 100 seater, flown by Comair and the likes.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

scope? who cares...every major caved on scope in the last 7 years. Delta keeps moving the line in the sand, first it was 50 seaters, then 70, next is the 100 seater, flown by Comair and the likes.

Every major?
Continental caved?
SWA caved?

You will care when mighty blue gives those brand new 190's to Expressjet. They can do it tomorrow no questions asked, no bargin, nothing.

 

[bluesideup340]

On Scope Unions make a big to do about and when the time is right the Union leadership negotiates it away.
Unions make promises, talk a big game that plays well in the Crewroom, but at the end these promises are just one negotiation or concession talk away from become meaningless.
Look at the Scope at legacy carriers, their first 5 years of pay, retirements, and merger clauses.

All useless, but at leased you get all of the nothing for the bargain price of 2% of your annual income. Just another reason Pilots should not run airlines.

 

[bluesideup340]

PTS for example. Now I just fly sick rather than lose the premium pay.

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Hello Chef
Now I get it, you need a CBA so you can finally be the professional an make safe decisions. Stating that you rather fly sick, potentially put your life and that of others at risk for money, does not show sound decision making as professional aviator. So let’s hope a Union will fix that for you.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

hey blueside are you Nick?

 

[bluesideup340]

hey blueside are you Nick?

No, I am the German army in front of you.

 

[J Dawg]

Any thier soft time rules?

Like the one that puts everything over 70 credit hours at time and a half?

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Wow the whole german army?

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