Does Jetblue have any SCOPE?

[coogebeachhotel]

Yes; about 10% higher than the union pilots at US Airways.

Any thier soft time rules?

 

[Pilotbob3]

Semantics. Whether we have any on property is immaterial. The rate was indeed lowered in the 2008 Amendment to the PEA. Did you ever think that one of the results of the PCRB would be to lower any pay rates?

What's to keep them from lowering it further, like CAL's first year rate for example?

Semantics? its a fact. It is material. Yes, it is the only pay rate that JB can lower, First year not on the property yet new hires. whats to keep them from lowering it like to CAL's first year rate? Why don't you ask ALPA how they got it there.

 

[9rj9]

scope? who cares...every major caved on scope in the last 7 years. Delta keeps moving the line in the sand, first it was 50 seaters, then 70, next is the 100 seater, flown by Comair and the likes.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

scope? who cares...every major caved on scope in the last 7 years. Delta keeps moving the line in the sand, first it was 50 seaters, then 70, next is the 100 seater, flown by Comair and the likes.

Every major?
Continental caved?
SWA caved?

You will care when mighty blue gives those brand new 190's to Expressjet. They can do it tomorrow no questions asked, no bargin, nothing.

 

[bluesideup340]

On Scope Unions make a big to do about and when the time is right the Union leadership negotiates it away.
Unions make promises, talk a big game that plays well in the Crewroom, but at the end these promises are just one negotiation or concession talk away from become meaningless.
Look at the Scope at legacy carriers, their first 5 years of pay, retirements, and merger clauses.

All useless, but at leased you get all of the nothing for the bargain price of 2% of your annual income. Just another reason Pilots should not run airlines.

 

[bluesideup340]

PTS for example. Now I just fly sick rather than lose the premium pay.

quote]

Hello Chef
Now I get it, you need a CBA so you can finally be the professional an make safe decisions. Stating that you rather fly sick, potentially put your life and that of others at risk for money, does not show sound decision making as professional aviator. So let’s hope a Union will fix that for you.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

hey blueside are you Nick?

 

[bluesideup340]

hey blueside are you Nick?

No, I am the German army in front of you.

 

[J Dawg]

Any thier soft time rules?

Like the one that puts everything over 70 credit hours at time and a half?

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Wow the whole german army?

Gar schöne Spiele spiel' ich mit dir

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Like the one that puts everything over 70 credit hours at time and a half?

How is that time and a half on reserve? Nonas

O I forgot you are one of those "I've got mine, suck it up"

Sick bank?
Vacation bank?
Soft time?
Duty rig?
Trip rig?
B fund?

Back to scope. What good in time and a half on an airplane which could be given away tomorrow?

 

[Bavarian Chef]

PTS for example. Now I just fly sick rather than lose the premium pay.

quote]

Hello Chef
Now I get it, you need a CBA so you can finally be the professional an make safe decisions. Stating that you rather fly sick, potentially put your life and that of others at risk for money, does not show sound decision making as professional aviator. So let’s hope a Union will fix that for you.

So what's your definition of "sick"? I can think of plenty of malaises that one might actually fly with that certainly don't put lives at risk. Just think of how sore those joints must be on the age 60 & above crowd. Hell, not everyone has the luxury of calling in sick for the "sniffles" or that stiff shoulder they got from a spirited game of racquetball.

We lost a benefit when they changed the PTS rate, pure and simple. Sounds like you are the one pilot that thinks putting pilots in that position is in line with JB's caring value.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Yes, it is the only pay rate that JB can lower.

Where do you get that? You're saying that JB can't lower ANY OTHER pay rate?

 

[J Dawg]

How is that time and a half on reserve? Nonas

O I forgot you are one of those "I've got mine, suck it up"

Sick bank?
Vacation bank?
Soft time?
Duty rig?
Trip rig?
B fund?

Back to scope. What good in time and a half on an airplane which could be given away tomorrow?

What about sick bank, vacation bank, rigs, etc?

You wanted a "soft rule" example, I gave you one. Which is also applicable to reserves btw.

As far as your unsuccessful attempt at drawing a conclusion as to who I am, you have no idea or any basis.

You want to go back to scope? OK, what scope is there which is not susceptable to being defeated? But that argument has already been made.

BTW, its the Coogee Beach Hotel.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

What about sick bank, vacation bank, rigs, etc?

You wanted a "soft rule" example, I gave you one. Which is also applicable to reserves btw.

As far as your unsuccessful attempt at drawing a conclusion as to who I am, you have no idea or any basis.

You want to go back to scope? OK, what scope is there which is not susceptable to being defeated? But that argument has already been made.

BTW, its the Coogee Beach Hotel.

Wrong Coogee Bay Hotel LMAO

 

[Hypoxik]

Every major?
Continental caved?
SWA caved?

You will care when mighty blue gives those brand new 190's to Expressjet. They can do it tomorrow no questions asked, no bargin, nothing.

We don't have an E-Jet program. It was temp flying while you're a/c were in mx.

I would like to eventually possibly have a chance to get on with JBLU. I would be shooting myself in the foot by wanting to do a minute of YOUR flying. I almost threw up in MCI the other morning seeing a certain 170 taxi by. It was on its way somewhere just north of ORD

 

[bluesideup340]

So what's your definition of "sick"? I can think of plenty of malaises that one might actually fly with that certainly don't put lives at risk. Just think of how sore those joints must be on the age 60 & above crowd. Hell, not everyone has the luxury of calling in sick for the "sniffles" or that stiff shoulder they got from a spirited game of racquetball.

We lost a benefit when they changed the PTS rate, pure and simple. Sounds like you are the one pilot that thinks putting pilots in that position is in line with JB's caring value.

Chef let's face it. You made an unwise statement and now you soften your stand on the issue.
Just admit it, you were wrong. You have no excuse to fly if you feel or are sick.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Chef let's face it. You made an unwise statement and now you soften your stand on the issue.
Just admit it, you were wrong. You have no excuse to fly if you feel or are sick.

No I didn't. And no I wasn't. You don't like me and disagree -- I get it.

sick 1play_w2("S0384100") (s

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adj. sick·er, sick·est 1. a. Suffering from or affected with a physical illness; ailing.
b. Of or for sick persons: sick wards.
c. Nauseated.

2. a. Mentally ill or disturbed.
b. Unwholesome, morbid, or sadistic: a sick joke; a sick crime.

3. Defective; unsound: a sick economy.
4. a. Deeply distressed; upset: sick with worry.
b. Disgusted; revolted.
c. Weary; tired: sick of it all.
d. Pining; longing: sick for his native land.

5. a. In need of repairs: a sick ship.
b. Constituting an unhealthy environment for those working or residing within: a sick office building.

6. Unable to produce a profitable yield of crops: sick soil.

n. (used with a pl. verb) Sick people considered as a group. Often used with the.

Idiom:
sick and tired Thoroughly weary, discouraged, or bored.



You live in a dream world if you think every JB pilot calls out sick every time they are unable to produce a profitable yield of crops.

 

[Pilotbob3]

Where do you get that? You're saying that JB can't lower ANY OTHER pay rate?

It's quite simple 'chef'. JB can not lower the pilots' hourly pay rate for anyone on the property, even first year pilots. why? because we signed a contract that has those rates in it. no first year pilot was 'grandfathered', jb had no choice but to leave first year pilots on current first year pay. jb can lower first year pay to future pilots coming on the property, because they are not here and don't have a contract. you really didn't understand that?