The NWA/DAL case is a wrap, what do you think?

[nwaredtail]

, I don't think Bloch found the dynamic list interesting at all.

Is that why he personally asked for it to be presented at the meetings? Get a clue.

 

[nwaredtail]

What did he say about your dynamic approach?

I am sure he appreciated the briefing he received from the merger committee, since he did PERSONALLY ASK FOR IT.

He didn't need to hear anymore questions about it, he had heard enough.

Because the merger committee, once again, did a great job.

And the other arbitrator had problems understanding if you wanted DOH, or the dynamic deal, or the dynamic deal if you couldn't get DOH

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Stop trying to spin things. The other arbitrators understood we tried to come up with alternatives instead of my way or the highway. They all seemed very interested in the dynamic list. Still trying to figure out why y'all don't like it. Oh thats right, y'all want your cake and eat it too.

 

[Truckdriver]

Oh thats right, y'all want your cake and eat it too.

Hey, could you buy my cake with your payraise that WE got you a couple weeks ago. Yeah, your welcome.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

I am sure he appreciated the briefing he received from the merger committee, since he did PERSONALLY ASK FOR IT.

Not so fast my DOH dumb dumb (and not in a nice way). He asked for a lot of things. I see you use the same spin machine as detoilet320!

Because the merger committee, once again, did a great job.

On the NW side. You poor bastards (again not in a nice way) have been misrepresented since Stevens took the helm. I'd say you're grasping.
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Stop trying to spin things.

Really, the NW side has that market cornered.

The other arbitrators understood we tried to come up with alternatives instead of my way or the highway.

You mean since your way was not going to happen and the back peddling started full steam. Oil up that spin machine!

They all seemed very interested in the dynamic list. Still trying to figure out why y'all don't like it. Oh thats right, y'all want your cake and eat it too.

Stop trying to spin things. Still trying to figure out why y'all don't like it. Oh that's right, y'all want your DOH and a staple too!

 

[Going2Baja]

Couple questions please:

1) Would someone please explain what a 7-5 ratio means?

2) Any guesses on base and or aircraft freezes?

3) Any word on NWA furloughees?

4) Is the decision binding?

Thanks - Baja.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Might want to prepare for being upset if that is what you actually believe will be the result.

Is that why your side changed its tune at the last moment dropping its DOH request?

I'd throw my retirement down there will be no staple at the top or bottom.

As an FNG you have no retirement, so as usual, a NW guy lying about something, much like the names that weren't on your list. Go figure!

My guess strait ratio. They will throw the NWA attrition away as a compensation for not comparing fleets.

But I thought you were betting nothing, I mean your retirement on a dissapointment?

Our super premium to your pig with lipstick 757s you count as widebodies.

Of wich Delta brings 2x's as many as your "super premium" lower paying jobs.

NEXT!

 

[nwaredtail]

Not so fast my DOH dumb dumb (and not in a nice way). He asked for a lot of things. I see you use the same spin machine as detoilet320!



On the NW side. You poor bastards (again not in a nice way) have been misrepresented since Stevens took the helm. I'd say you're grasping.
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Really, the NW side has that market cornered.


You mean since your way was not going to happen and the back peddling started full steam. Oil up that spin machine!


Stop trying to spin things. Still trying to figure out why y'all don't like it. Oh that's right, y'all want your DOH and a staple too!

Another hillbilly that drinks and types. Back to the double wide, Billy Joe Jim Bob. Just sign in under your usual name, GL.

 

[nwaredtail]

Hey, could you buy my cake with your payraise that WE got you a couple weeks ago. Yeah, your welcome.

Check the ego, Einstein. The NWA Negotiating committee got us the raise from DAL. Pretty sure your pay didnt go down, so how could YOU have given US the raise. Another DAL genius on FI, great.

 

[Truckdriver]

Another hillbilly that drinks and types. Back to the double wide, Billy Joe Jim Bob. Just sign in under your usual name, GL.

Hillbilly? How many times have you used y'all in your posts the last 24 hours? Your calling him a hillbilly?

 

[Truckdriver]

Another DAL genius on FI, great.

Better than another old delusional NWA guy.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Another hillbilly that drinks and types. Back to the double wide, Billy Joe Jim Bob. Just sign in under your usual name, GL.

Good one!

You should sign under your usual name, Detoilet320!

Must be tough running to the library this late at night to use the computer since the trailer park shuts off the power this late.

 

[Truckdriver]

Ok, enought banter for the night. I do have a serious thought here. Does anyone think that the arbitration panel could possibly be influenced by parties outside the arbitration hearing? Ex. Delta management or ALPA national.

 

[Going2Baja]

Anyone....Anyone....Ferris.....Ferris????

(See Above Questions.)

Thanks - Baja.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Couple questions please:

1) Would someone please explain what a 7-5 ratio means?

2) Any guesses on base and or aircraft freezes?

3) Any word on NWA furloughees?

4) Is the decision binding?

1. Thanks - Baja.

1. Delta has roughly 7,000 pilots, NWA 5,000. Some think pilots should be integrated on a simple 7 to 5 ratio and be done with it.
2. Delta asked for a 3 year fence starting at October 31st with no bump, no flush.
3. Various documents were presented showing NWA is overstaffed by ~300 pilots. No furloughs are anticipated since Delta is understaffed and NWA has had some retirements and attrition (in rough numbers, no one seems to be talking furloughs from either side)
4. The arbitration decision is binding. NWA's counsel claims the decision over rides the job protection provisions of our pilot working agreement. Delta's Counsel said management would reject a decision based on a dynamic list. If rejected, the list would go back to arbitration. I have not done the research to fully believe the validity of either claim, but I doubt either side just made the allegation up without a basis for their statements.

 

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Ok, enought banter for the night. I do have a serious thought here. Does anyone think that the arbitration panel could possibly be influenced by parties outside the arbitration hearing? Ex. Delta management or ALPA national.

Well, the allegation was made that Delta Management could reject an unworkable list and send us back to arbitration.

But, no, I don't think the Panel is influenced by outside forces. They want to create a fair list that works.

 

[nwaf16dude]

There was some talk in the last day's transcript about a four category (status/category) list with 100 or 173 "pullouts" for the senior NWA guys. It was significantly different from the DAL proposal in a lot of ways, most obviously that the DC-9 FO's weren't separated into their own category at the bottom. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that's where my money is for the final outcome. Only questions would be exactly what are the four categories, and how many attrition slots do the NWA guys get at the top of the list(100, 173, more, less?) Probably just about equally distasteful to both groups, so probably the right answer.

 

[~~~^~~~]

NWAF16Dude:

That is nearly the most reasonable post a NWA pilot has written and I think you are very close to the end result.

Anyone know how many Professional Flight Engineers NWA has? Are there some pilots over age 62 on the property?

 

[aircowboy]

NWAF16Dude:

That is nearly the most reasonable post a NWA pilot has written and I think you are very close to the end result.

Anyone know how many Professional Flight Engineers NWA has? Are there some pilots over age 62 on the property?

There are 0 PFE's and very few Ropes left.

 

[PuffDriver]

There was some talk in the last day's transcript about a four category (status/category) list with 100 or 173 "pullouts" for the senior NWA guys. It was significantly different from the DAL proposal in a lot of ways, most obviously that the DC-9 FO's weren't separated into their own category at the bottom. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that's where my money is for the final outcome. Only questions would be exactly what are the four categories, and how many attrition slots do the NWA guys get at the top of the list(100, 173, more, less?) Probably just about equally distasteful to both groups, so probably the right answer.

Probably a pretty good WAG.

 

[Fly4hire]

Probably a pretty good WAG.

Possibly... Million dollar question is whether it would be 4 groups based on DOH, ratio, and whether or not dynamic overlay is used. I agree with Nu that we will be talking again before the 8th. Hope it's something we can all live with...