MCDU
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This is an old article. We have one more group of days for testimony (starting Monday) in LA, and then a decision will be given by Dec 8th, not Nov 20th as the article states.
NWA's lawyer represented USAir East in their arbitration, while our lawyer represented America West. Also, this is the first time NWA has advocated DOH. In the Republic merger, NALPA wanted a ratio list (I've got the testimony to prove it), but Roberts gave DOH with 20 year fences, and we know how fair that was.... With talks with Continental, NALPA also advocated ratios. This is the first time, since they are smaller, that they have wanted DOH. We will see how it goes....
Bye Bye---General Lee
The hearings actually started yesterday, and conclude on monday.
General L
We have received memo that NWA is looking
at a "dynamic list" not pure DOH.
Perhaps a blended list with considerations
for years of service, upcomming retirements?
I hope we get this done and put it behind us.
The 20 year fence re-opens bad wounds for 20
years.
DB
Well, a dynamic list would have to be done for both parties, because NWA's retirements in the short term are less in number than the DL retirements in the long term. That wouldn't really make sense, and people moving from one spot in the list to another, and then other people leap frogging them would be a logistical nightmare. Attrition has NEVER been used in any SLI, and that was stated on the stand.
I don't think there will be any long fences either. Delta doesn't want that, and probably is pushing for the shortest fences as possible.
Bye Bye--General Lee
A dynamic list wouldn't be hard at all. NWA pilots would only fill NWA positions and DAL pilots would only fill DAL positions--indefinitely. You would always advance with attrition from your pre-merger list.
IE....
Former DAL pilots would always hold positions 1, 3, 4, 6, 8, 11, 12......
Former NWA pilots would always hold positions 2, 5, 7, 9, 10.....
It would be approx 7 DAL positions per 5 NWA positions and one would only move into those positions reserved for his/her list as attrition occurs. The designateed slots at the bottom of each list would expire with each retirement.
A concept such as this was discussed while working towards a negotiated settlement. Apparently, the arbitrators found it interesting enough that they left the floor open if any one was interested in introducing this concept as the arbitrated list would only consist of testimony from the arbitration process and not the mediated negotiations.
Schwanker
Did USAir East pilots get a Dynamic list? No, no they did not. Did they want one? Yes. Didn't your own lawyer represent them too? Yes, yes he did. I doubt you will get one. Where are all of those retirements you said would happen, anyway?
And, a negotiated settlement has NOT happen. I wonder why? The arbitrators are probably all ears when it comes to any idea, but that doesn't mean they have to start a new trend that has never been done before. We obviously didn't go for it, or there would have been a settlement. We probably gave good reasons why....
Bye Bye---General Lee
Where are all of those retirements you said would happen, anyway?
Bye Bye---General Lee