Safest Charter Companies

[Publishers]

There is no question that anything, anything at all, that causes you to look at safety issues is a good thing. I gave a scenario at one test run where the aircraft was missing in a foreign country, when found there were more bodies than had been on board, etcc. It was eye opening.
On the other hand, the audit was as good as the people doing it. Mine were 121 guys and that is how they thouught. It looked to me that they looked at the books and information and wrote the report before the interviews. We paid for their program and passed. I was not impressed except for the quarterly internal audits.

 

[brokeflyer]

id have to say that Netjets is the safest......so far.

 

[Fly91]

ARGUS and WYVERN....kind of a joke. Safety mainly boils down to the pilots at a given company, not the office people, paperwork and aircraft. If maintenance is good and the planes are good of course. Since almost 100% of accidents is "pilot error", a company is only as safe as the quality of their pilots. AND...since pilots come and go like the wind in the 135 charter industry, each company is all the same when it comes to safety. OR....a 135 charter company can only be as safe as their chief pilot/check airmen to make sure the quality of their pilots is top notch 100% of the time.

There's a charter company down here (still operating unbelievably) in south Florida that had just 3-4 planes back in 2000 and had only been in business for just 1 1/2 years and had 2 crashes, both with multiple fatalities.

Then there's another charter company (still in business and doing great) down here that has 16 planes and has been in operation for 28 years without so much as a complaint from a passenger or the FAA, much less an incident or accident. Same owner, chief pilot and DO the entire time....that should tell you something about pilot quality that goes through that company.

Safety = pilot quality

Not some organization saying they're any good.

 

[pilotyip]

Narrow View, more to it

ARGUS and WYVERN....kind of a joke. Safety mainly boils down to the pilots at a given company, not the office people, paperwork and aircraft. If maintenance is good and the planes are good of course. Since almost 100% of accidents is "pilot error", a company is only as safe as the quality of their pilots. AND...since pilots come and go like the wind in the 135 charter industry, each company is all the same when it comes to safety. OR....a 135 charter company can only be as safe as their chief pilot/check airmen to make sure the quality of their pilots is top notch 100% of the time.

There's a charter company down here (still operating unbelievably) in south Florida that had just 3-4 planes back in 2000 and had only been in business for just 1 1/2 years and had 2 crashes, both with multiple fatalities.

Then there's another charter company (still in business and doing great) down here that has 16 planes and has been in operation for 28 years without so much as a complaint from a passenger or the FAA, much less an incident or accident. Same owner, chief pilot and DO the entire time....that should tell you something about pilot quality that goes through that company.

Safety = pilot quality

Not some organization saying they're any good.

Not a complete answer, pilots can not do it alone, a good safety record comes from a combination of management, pilots, maint, dispatch and ramp. Pilots alone are not the sole source of safety. If they do not work toward the same goal, then the results will be unsatisfactory. How do quality pilots get selected for an operation? Management picks them. A good organization can attract a higher quality of pilots. Good pilots with other option don't go to shady operators. What makes a shady operator management? So management is as much a part of a good safety record as the workers to make it work. It is a team effort, and that is why SMS mandates upper level management involvement in safety.

 

[Fly91]

Not a complete answer, pilots can not do it alone, a good safety record comes from a combination of management, pilots, maint, dispatch and ramp. Pilots alone are not the sole source of safety. If they do not work toward the same goal, then the results will be unsatisfactory. How do quality pilots get selected for an operation? Management picks them. A good organization can attract a higher quality of pilots. Good pilots with other option don't go to shady operators. What makes a shady operator management? So management is as much a part of a good safety record as the workers to make it work. It is a team effort, and that is why SMS mandates upper level management involvement in safety.

You just agreed with me. If the management is GOOD, they will choose GOOD pilots. However a BAD pilot gets into a good or badly managed company isn't important....what is important is that they DO get in.....then accidents happen to good and bad companies.

Pilots (via pilot error) are the leading cause of accidents, and always will be. Thats all I'm saying. It cannot be argued with. Accidents don't normally happen because a wing falls off or a mountain suddenly pops up in front of the plane.

When ARGUS or some other organization goes through a company they just see that the pilots go to school, they have no clue that there might be some horrible pilots at that company. Anyone can get through school, especially recurrent. Thats all they have to go by. So if the front office is nice and neat and looks pretty, they get a GOLD rating...wonderful.

 

[hooker]

DAL, NWA, UAL and CAL all do charters....


sorry... just saying...

OBAMA! Are you for real???? He is the #*@#*#@ answer huh? Then explain why my company has had customers call and say if that COMMUNIST gets elected you wont here from us for a while!!! Explain the single biggest post election stock market PLUNGE in history? Huh Explain that one!!!!! Somebody take his keyboard away!

 

[njcapt]

OBAMA! Are you for real???? He is the #*@#*#@ answer huh? Then explain why my company has had customers call and say if that COMMUNIST gets elected you wont here from us for a while!!! Explain the single biggest post election stock market PLUNGE in history? Huh Explain that one!!!!! Somebody take his keyboard away!

Did you just go off your meds? If not, its kind of early to be ******************** faced.

You respond to a three month old post in a thread about safety and you drag presidential politics into it? You would be much happier trolling threads in the Non-Aviation Chat forum. I'll help you out since you seem lost - it's here.

 

[badlander45]

OBAMA! Are you for real???? He is the #*@#*#@ answer huh? Then explain why my company has had customers call and say if that COMMUNIST gets elected you wont here from us for a while!!! Explain the single biggest post election stock market PLUNGE in history? Huh Explain that one!!!!! Somebody take his keyboard away!

Maybe your companies customers are mental midgets, such as yourself?

 

[osy007]

Jetride

Jetride is the safest charter company now....

They will never ever have an incident or accident.

 

[stupidpilot]

Jetride is the safest charter company now....

They will never ever have an incident or accident.

Ouch! That's just plain MEAN!