A-320 question

[SpauldingSmails]

Yeah, the Airbus has 2 stick shakers; CA and FO.

 

[waterski]

Is there any stick feedback?

nope.

 

[tathepilot]

http://www.airdisaster.com/investigations/af296/af296.shtml

A moderator that does not know how to use google or the search function, that's some funny stuff. Just busting your chops dude.

Haha, search what's that? I guess It was coming..
You see there is a fundamental difference between my policy on searching and what some consider normalcy. Keeping questions answered on our board keeps FI's traffic alive. Having high traffic keeps this board here for everyone.

You see, now we have the link to the accident info. Now this thread is a one-stop shop.

BTW, thx.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

The frog behind the wheel went to jail for that. I kid you not.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Is there any stick feedback?

Sure. It auto-trims which gives it light feel on the controls until you exceed the normal bank or pitch limits. Then it stops auto trimming and you feel how heavy it is (and it wakes you up to let go of the stick and stop screwing up!).

 

[skyaddict]

If I recall, in that Airshow accident (full of pax) at Basel they were way below the treeline and were unspooled... simply not enough time for spoolup as they tried to climb. You can hear the spoolup just as it starts going into the trees.

 

[Patriot328]

If I recall correctly (lot of that going on around here), the pilot of the "A-Tree-Twenty" was going to do an alpha floor demo. That is where, even at idle, if you get too slow, the plane will go full power and if you are holding full back stick, will climb out of it at just above stall speed. Quite a spectacular demo.

There is just one MINOR problem with that. It is disabled at a low radio altitude because, well, if it were active, there is a chance that the power would go to full while you are in the flare trying to land. Obviously not a good thing.

Anyway, the demo pilot flew the low pass considerably lower than briefed, so when he got slow, the plane would still not stall, perse, but the power remained at idle. They were in "Flare" mode and were essentially floating down the runway. They eventually did the obvious, shoved the thrust levers forward. The engines spooled, but by that point in time they were cutting pine....

 

[StarChecker]

If I recall correctly (lot of that going on around here), the pilot of the "A-Tree-Twenty" was going to do an alpha floor demo. That is where, even at idle, if you get too slow, the plane will go full power and if you are holding full back stick, will climb out of it at just above stall speed. Quite a spectacular demo.

There is just one MINOR problem with that. It is disabled at a low radio altitude because, well, if it were active, there is a chance that the power would go to full while you are in the flare trying to land. Obviously not a good thing.

Anyway, the demo pilot flew the low pass considerably lower than briefed, so when he got slow, the plane would still not stall, perse, but the power remained at idle. They were in "Flare" mode and were essentially floating down the runway. They eventually did the obvious, shoved the thrust levers forward. The engines spooled, but by that point in time they were cutting pine....

My systems instructor worked for Airbus when this happened and that's exactly how he told the tale.

The test pilot was trying to show off the magic airplane that won't let you stall except he forgot about it not working low to the ground...hard to land with the engines going to TOGA each time.

I believe he went to trial for manslaughter.

 

[get2flyin]

The stick feels the same at .81M as it does at 150Kts which is the same as how it feels when the plane is shut down at the get.

 

[Donsa320]

My systems instructor worked for Airbus when this happened and that's exactly how he told the tale.

The test pilot was trying to show off the magic airplane that won't let you stall except he forgot about it not working low to the ground...hard to land with the engines going to TOGA each time.

I believe he went to trial for manslaughter.

Thanks, both of you guys for setting that straight. I get sick of typing all that out every six months or so here.

One correction, the guilty party was not a TEST pilot. Just a check pilot and not a very good one at that. And the pax load were not revenue paying folks but employees and guests of Airbus.