A-320 question

greenbayfan

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 21, 2006
Posts
91
Total Time
9500
No......the computers will not allow you to pitch to an AOA to get to a stall....
 

Ralph Cramden

Took the Red Pill
Joined
May 7, 2005
Posts
351
Total Time
2much
It does have stall warning as well as stall protection, however the side stick controller does not have a shaker or pusher.

Those functions are covered by the flight control computers and provide several levels of protection depending on which control law you are in.

Getting your head around the control laws is different but not really hard. try: http://www.airbusdriver.net/ if you want to know more.
 
Last edited:

Bob_Sacamano

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 19, 2005
Posts
394
Total Time
Enough
Screw all that computerized crap. When I was still in the Bus, I'd always turn those silly FACs off and fly it like a real airplane.


"Hey y'all...watch this!"
 

ATA For Now!

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 11, 2004
Posts
269
Total Time
9000
The reason for the crash was the plane hit the trees.

Couldn't resist....bored.

Anyway, if I remember correctly, I think the a/c entered one of the low speed protection modes and the PIC could not get it to climb (it won't picth up thinking you are trying to increase AOA) thus hitting some stuff.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong!
 

SpauldingSmails

Aboard the sloop.
Joined
Aug 26, 2005
Posts
1,278
Total Time
>7000
Yeah, the Airbus has 2 stick shakers; CA and FO.
 

tathepilot

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 5, 2003
Posts
884
Total Time
None
http://www.airdisaster.com/investigations/af296/af296.shtml

A moderator that does not know how to use google or the search function, that's some funny stuff. Just busting your chops dude.
Haha, search what's that? I guess It was coming..
You see there is a fundamental difference between my policy on searching and what some consider normalcy. Keeping questions answered on our board keeps FI's traffic alive. Having high traffic keeps this board here for everyone.

You see, now we have the link to the accident info. Now this thread is a one-stop shop.

BTW, thx.
 
Last edited:

Bringupthebird

Grumpy? Who-Me?
Joined
Feb 7, 2006
Posts
2,182
Total Time
16120
Is there any stick feedback?
Sure. It auto-trims which gives it light feel on the controls until you exceed the normal bank or pitch limits. Then it stops auto trimming and you feel how heavy it is (and it wakes you up to let go of the stick and stop screwing up!).
 

skyaddict

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 26, 2005
Posts
651
Total Time
6500
If I recall, in that Airshow accident (full of pax) at Basel they were way below the treeline and were unspooled... simply not enough time for spoolup as they tried to climb. You can hear the spoolup just as it starts going into the trees.
 

Patriot328

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 25, 2001
Posts
763
Total Time
~10000
If I recall correctly (lot of that going on around here), the pilot of the "A-Tree-Twenty" was going to do an alpha floor demo. That is where, even at idle, if you get too slow, the plane will go full power and if you are holding full back stick, will climb out of it at just above stall speed. Quite a spectacular demo.

There is just one MINOR problem with that. It is disabled at a low radio altitude because, well, if it were active, there is a chance that the power would go to full while you are in the flare trying to land. Obviously not a good thing.

Anyway, the demo pilot flew the low pass considerably lower than briefed, so when he got slow, the plane would still not stall, perse, but the power remained at idle. They were in "Flare" mode and were essentially floating down the runway. They eventually did the obvious, shoved the thrust levers forward. The engines spooled, but by that point in time they were cutting pine....
 
Last edited:

StarChecker

Warp this...
Joined
Apr 16, 2002
Posts
481
Total Time
Enough
If I recall correctly (lot of that going on around here), the pilot of the "A-Tree-Twenty" was going to do an alpha floor demo. That is where, even at idle, if you get too slow, the plane will go full power and if you are holding full back stick, will climb out of it at just above stall speed. Quite a spectacular demo.

There is just one MINOR problem with that. It is disabled at a low radio altitude because, well, if it were active, there is a chance that the power would go to full while you are in the flare trying to land. Obviously not a good thing.

Anyway, the demo pilot flew the low pass considerably lower than briefed, so when he got slow, the plane would still not stall, perse, but the power remained at idle. They were in "Flare" mode and were essentially floating down the runway. They eventually did the obvious, shoved the thrust levers forward. The engines spooled, but by that point in time they were cutting pine....

My systems instructor worked for Airbus when this happened and that's exactly how he told the tale.

The test pilot was trying to show off the magic airplane that won't let you stall except he forgot about it not working low to the ground...hard to land with the engines going to TOGA each time.

I believe he went to trial for manslaughter.
 

get2flyin

Flyinawa!
Joined
Jan 25, 2004
Posts
794
Total Time
15k+
The stick feels the same at .81M as it does at 150Kts which is the same as how it feels when the plane is shut down at the get.
 

Donsa320

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 10, 2004
Posts
521
Total Time
32,000
My systems instructor worked for Airbus when this happened and that's exactly how he told the tale.

The test pilot was trying to show off the magic airplane that won't let you stall except he forgot about it not working low to the ground...hard to land with the engines going to TOGA each time.

I believe he went to trial for manslaughter.
Thanks, both of you guys for setting that straight. I get sick of typing all that out every six months or so here.

One correction, the guilty party was not a TEST pilot. Just a check pilot and not a very good one at that. And the pax load were not revenue paying folks but employees and guests of Airbus.
 
Top