DL/NWA Seniority List Integration Arbitration starts TODAY...article

[Cobraair75drvr]

ACL,

You must be getting nervous. You used to be a rational, somewhat informative poster. By the way some of you guys are now acting you better change your tune and stop this merger. With the markets like they are I think a new "keep my delta my delta" campaign enlisting all delta employees would be the best for y'all. And don't tell me it can't be done, too far down the road etc. If all delta employees vowed to not accept this merger with the broke, broken down northern tier, no hope airline you could just have all the internal growth you want. I am sure if you stop this, we will ch11 immediatly and the credit markets will gladly loan delta the money to aquire the parts that they need to fill out their global network and conquer the world. Seriously, if nwa is in as bad a shape as some of you are painting you are doing yourselves and your beloved delta a disservice by not getting the bod and stockholders to stop this terrible decision.

Not spin fact. Look at the financing on the 744's when it was done and how it correlates to the 787.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Take what I say however you want. Truth is that NWA is in a decent position today, as DAL is. The fact is that your airframes pose a greater risk of being rightsized out of the fleet. That must be taken in to account. The large ones will be replaced and that is evident by the orders and arguments. The small ones do not come back. They haven't in our case and they will not in yours.
There is no desire on my part to stop the merger. I think that long term we are both better off many times over. What I take issue with is what I stated before. DAL rightsized its fleet post 9/11. In turn NWA will have some right sizing to do. I just do not think that we DAL pilots on the bottom end of the list need to take the hit for that.
As far as I am concerned that is a rational point of view. Whether you agree or disagree, on here is fine by me, but if the rolls were reversed you would be arguing the same talking points I am.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

And BTW I am not nervous at all. As stated many months ago, I have a backup plan, and have no issue with that. I just do not like, "taking one for the team."

 

[DTW320]

Not spin fact. Look at the financing on the 744's when it was done and how it correlates to the 787.

Shhhhh....don't tell RA.

 

[PuffDriver]

ACL,

You must be getting nervous. You used to be a rational, somewhat informative poster. By the way some of you guys are now acting you better change your tune and stop this merger. With the markets like they are I think a new "keep my delta my delta" campaign enlisting all delta employees would be the best for y'all. And don't tell me it can't be done, too far down the road etc. If all delta employees vowed to not accept this merger with the broke, broken down northern tier, no hope airline you could just have all the internal growth you want. I am sure if you stop this, we will ch11 immediatly and the credit markets will gladly loan delta the money to aquire the parts that they need to fill out their global network and conquer the world. Seriously, if nwa is in as bad a shape as some of you are painting you are doing yourselves and your beloved delta a disservice by not getting the bod and stockholders to stop this terrible decision.

You guys crack me up. It's not about our beloved Delta, or how crappy NWA is, or how much NWA double premium platinum super duper Pac Rim stuff. It is about what each side brings to the table, and what each side does NOT bring to the table in order to preserve career expectations on both sides in pre-merger versus post merger.

You pulled this whhhaaa, whhhaaaa :crying: crap with the joint CBA stuff as well. Why don't you, DTW, Super, and the rest sit down and take a cold hard look at what was happening before the merger. You can spin all you want, but we all know that Delta pilots had better career expectations throughout the list at the time given. It WILL be reflected in the list. The rest of your stuff is just more whaaaa, whhhaaa. There it is. DOH hurts the Delta pilots career expectations post merger from what they had pre merger. End of story.

 

[FDJ2]

DC-9 ASM's can't be replaced with the # of 175's allowed.

But NWA has been and plans on cutting capacity.

NALPA admitted that the replacement for the aging DC-9 is the 77-110 seat jet. Paying even less than the DC-9. Nevertheless, 90 76 seaters carry about as many ASMs as 60 aging DC-9s.

 

[DTW320]

Why don't you, DTW, Super, and the rest sit down and take a cold hard look at what was happening before the merger.

You're OBVIOUSLY referring to the deteriorating financials at DAL compared to NWA pre merger announcement. We weren't going to bring that up, but since YOU did....

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Shhhhh....don't tell RA.

I remember when RA was at NWA him saying that he would never buy another 4 engine airplane. This information is coming from valid sources.

 

[FDJ2]

You're OBVIOUSLY referring to the deteriorating financials at DAL compared to NWA pre merger announcement. We weren't going to bring that up, but since YOU did....

DAL: Revenue for latest 12 months: $20.2 billion
Debt: $10.9 billion
Unrestricted cash and short-term investments: $3.2 billion

NWA: Revenue for latest 12 months: $13.2 billion
Debt: $9.9 billion
Unrestricted cash and short-term investments: $3.2 billion

$9.9B in debt with only $13.2 billion in revenue to service it. DAL has $1B more debt but $7B more revenue to service it.

 

[DTW320]

But NWA has been and plans on cutting capacity.

NALPA admitted that the replacement for the aging DC-9 is the 77-110 seat jet. Paying even less than the DC-9. Nevertheless, 90 76 seaters carry about as many ASMs as 60 aging DC-9s.

How bout 54 76 seaters? Of course you know that 36 of them simply replaced the AVRO's that Mesaba had been operating for years.