DALPA Conflict of Interest

[xray678]

It is an issue if you are, or were recently on the DAL Comm Cmte - please just answer the question.

What does it matter if he was on the Comm Cmte?

This is a public, anonymous forum. How do we know you are not the chairman of NWA Comm Cmte??

Unless you are willing to post your name along with your opinion, then nothing any of us says is worth a hill of beans. No arbitrator is going to give any weight to anything said here.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

No kidding, it is all just fear based.

 

[Sinca3]

After seeing your proposed list I see why DALPA didn't want it made public.

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I have a question for a NWA pilot and would like a honest answer...
Assuming you have seen the Delta suggested list what are your takes? I would have to say if you take all the emotion out of it that is the fairest list out there....Run the numbers, it is pretty much straight relative senority!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yes, and no. But it is relative by equipment. When you take that in to account it makes perfect sense.

 

[DTW320]

320-
I have a question for a NWA pilot and would like a honest answer...
Assuming you have seen the Delta suggested list what are your takes? I would have to say if you take all the emotion out of it that is the fairest list out there....Run the numbers, it is pretty much straight relative senority!

It starts out at about 1.6:1 in favor of DAL. Now update it every 5 years. Within 10 years the ratio is about 4:1 in favor of DAL. It ultimately ends up about 5:1 in favor of DAL. Do you think it's reasonable for an admitted "merger of equals" to result in a 5:1 seniority advantage for one side? Would you consider that a "windfall" for one side?

Don't believe it? Read the transcripts. Thanks to NWALPA they are open and available instead of conducted in secret like DALPA wanted.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

No I do not. Define ultimate. In ten years our retirements kick in, and you will need to look at from where a pilot is now v/s where he would be with this plan. Also attach it to the current fleet, stove pipe it and see where they would be sitting in say 15 to 20 years. It would be the same or better in most cases.
Either way, this was our shot, in a few weeks you will get yours.

 

[NuGuy]

It starts out at about 1.6:1 in favor of DAL. Now update it every 5 years. Within 10 years the ratio is about 4:1 in favor of DAL. It ultimately ends up about 5:1 in favor of DAL. Do you think it's reasonable for an admitted "merger of equals" to result in a 5:1 seniority advantage for one side? Would you consider that a "windfall" for one side?

Heyas DTW,

Don't worry about these guys. Read the last day arbitration transcript, and you will find that the NWA Attorney absolutely shredded the DAL witnesses.

Every one of the DAL "witnesses" was completely befuddled on the stand, and couldn't answer simple questions.

The endgame hasn't even started.

Nu

 

[DTW320]

No I do not. Diffident ultimate. In ten years our retirements kick in, and you will need to look at from where a pilot is now v/s where he would be with this plan. Also attach it to the current fleet, stove pipe it and see where they would be sitting in say 15 to 20 years. It would be the same or better in most cases.
Either way, this was our shot, in a few weeks you will get yours.

It's OK.....your witness couldn't defend it either. Read the transcripts.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I did. All of it.

 

[FDJ2]

After seeing your proposed list I see why DALPA didn't want it made public.

After seeing the full name, dates of birth, employee number, dates of hire of every Delta and Northwest pilot posted on the internet I see why it was irresponsible of NALPA to make it public.

 

[PCL_128]

It is an issue if you are, or were recently on the DAL Comm Cmte - please just answer the question.

Why is it an issue? I don't really understand your complaint. Why are union volunteers prohibited from posting on FI in your opinion? I did it for years as an elected officer, and none of my members complained about it. This is an anonymous message board. We should leave it that way.

 

[PuffDriver]

Heyas DTW,

Don't worry about these guys. Read the last day arbitration transcript, and you will find that the NWA Attorney absolutely shredded the DAL witnesses.

Every one of the DAL "witnesses" was completely befuddled on the stand, and couldn't answer simple questions.

The endgame hasn't even started.

Nu

Whhhaaaa, whhhaaaaa, :crying: :crying:

 

[NuGuy]

After seeing the full name, dates of birth, employee number, dates of hire of every Delta and Northwest pilot posted on the internet I see why it was irresponsible of NALPA to make it public.

And how exactly did they do that? The hearings were open to interested parties, but not the press or public. No printed or digital information was provided to any of the observers.

All of the hearing transcripts were published on their respective, secure, websites after the hearings, which would have occurred if they had been open or closed.

Fish another pond.

Nu

 

[DTW320]

I did. All of it.

So you think 5:1 in your favor is fair? Of course you do! You think NWA 1999 hires should be junior to DAL 2007 hires? Of course you do!

DAL did no hiring between 1992 and 1996 yet NWA 1989 hires should be junior to DAL 1996 hires? Just simply hilarious and has ZERO chance of becoming reality. I'm actually the most impressed by the fact that you guys can keep a straight face in light of this!

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

So you think 5:1 in your favor is fair? Of course you do! You think NWA 1999 hires should be junior to DAL 2007 hires? Of course you do!

DAL did no hiring between 1992 and 1996 yet NWA 1989 hires should be junior to DAL 1996 hires? Just simply hilarious and has ZERO chance of becoming reality. I'm actually the most impressed by the fact that you guys can keep a straight face in light of this!

Parts of our proposal were shooting for the moon.... we're going to be making fun of your proposal and testimony in the same way.