Delta and NWA Starting Positions From First Meeting...

[Sedona16]

We both went through our time on furlough. CA on the 9 is not that senior to me. I would have been in the top 50% in a couple years. With a retirement at no. 51. With 2007 hires above me it may push me to 500 at retirement. I could accept some DAL hires pre 9-11 above me but not 2007. That would be unfair in my opinion.

So in two years (2 = a couple) you will be half way up the list? Not calling you a liar just want to make sure this is an accurate statement. Thats some serious movement! How many Northwest guys you got retiring in the next two years?

 

[727RedTails]

Good point I shouldn't have said a couple. I will update that, 7 years to be exact. If you were hired 2007 or later just remember most of us pre 9-11 are within a couple years of 40 at the youngest. So we are older than most 2007 hires (not all I'm sure there are ex military etc that were hired older). So we will be out of your way anyway.

 

[Superpilot92]

Actually you are correct. Then there are a few on the interview list as well. Never got the interview done, but once we start up they will be.
We also have people that have completed all of their flight training and gone to ASA and are here at DAL. But as you say their career expectations are better than everyone at NWA including Superpilot. I can think of at least 10 people younger than him that were hired at DAL before he was hired at NWA.

How many people were hired at DAL pre-2008 that are younger than 27-28? 10? Were those 10 people expected to be 45% on the Delta list in the next 10-12 years? Just because they may be on a widebody now doesnt necessarily mean their career expectations are better. Not everyone wants to be on a widebody right off the bat either.

Anyone who got hired at NWA or DAL near the beginning of the post 9/11 hiring should have pretty good career expectations considering the retirements that NWA has and eventually DAL has coming. It should be steady movement for the next 15-20 years just based on retirements across the board. We'll see.

 

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I could accept some DAL hires pre 9-11 above me but not 2007. That would be unfair in my opinion.

So, if we merged with Comair, their senior pilots should be above both of us, by Date of Hire?

I don't think so.

Equipment and status quo does have meaning.

 

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Flightinfo .... lagging board :smash:

 

[727RedTails]

Come on now, nwa and comair is like comparing apples to oranges.

 

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Just because they may be on a widebody now doesnt necessarily mean their career expectations are better. Not everyone wants to be on a widebody right off the bat either.

Yeah sure. It is just lousy taking a 767 to warm destinations when darned-it, I could have enjoyed slogging around an external inspection on a DC9 while de-icing fluid and oil drips on my head.

It is not luck. I never applied to NWA. There were four airlines that would justify (provide a break even and profit) changing jobs for a top third seniority holder at ASA. I posted a spreadsheet of those numbers, which was a popular thread. NWA did not meet the criteria that justified leaving a senior position at a regional.

Others have posted their evaluations which match.

The average DAL new hire in 2007 was over 37 years of age, had more than 5,500 hours and many (maybe most) had Master's degrees or higher. I don't know NWA's demographics, but it would be my guess that most 2007/2008 hires are at an earlier stage of their career and have many more years before retirement. Your age is an incredible advantage, you know it and I'm frankly impressed (& wish that I'd pulled it off).

NWA was your first choice, it wasn't mine. I don't credit luck for landing you your job, or mine. We set our goals and worked towards them. Anyone at a major carrier in 2007 when the doors just opened isn't there by accident.

 

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Come on now, nwa and comair is like comparing apples to oranges.

More difference between a 767ER and DC9, than there is between a DC9 and the RJ that replaces it. More seniority numbers between me and the bottom than between you and the Mesaba pilots NWA put on the list.

Crazy? Depends on perspective.

I certainly understand your concern, but with a nearly 40% raise with longevity, life is pretty good 'eh?

I'm glad we fixed that in the JPWA.

 

[Superpilot92]

Yeah sure. It is just lousy taking a 767 to warm destinations when darned-it, I could have enjoyed slogging around an external inspection on a DC9 while de-icing fluid and oil drips on my head.

It is not luck. I never applied to NWA. There were four airlines that would justify (provide a break even and profit) changing jobs for a top third seniority holder at ASA. I posted a spreadsheet of those numbers, which was a popular thread. NWA did not meet the criteria that justified leaving a senior position at a regional.

Others have posted their evaluations which match.

Just look at the demographics. The average DAL new hire in 2007 was over 37 years of age, had more than 5,500 hours and many (maybe most) had Master's degrees or higher.

NWA was your first choice, it wasn't mine. I don't credit luck for landing you your job, or mine. We set our goals and worked towards them. Anyone at a major carrier in 2007 isn't there by accident.

Who said anything about "luck"? Also i never said flying a widebody wasnt a good job i just said its not what everyone wants to do. I dont, at least not right now i dont. NWA avg age this go around was likely around 32, flight times were probably around 4000-8000 hours and All had at least a 4 year degree if not higher. We all decided to move on to DAL or NWA for different reasons, you for your spreadsheet and mine because of my age and the timing of getting hired at NWA.

Like i said, anyone who was hired post 9/11 in the beginning wave at DAL/NWA should have pretty good career expectations based on the retirement numbers alone. Glass half full :beer:

 

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Like i said, anyone who was hired post 9/11 in the beginning wave at DAL/NWA should have pretty good career expectations based on the retirement numbers alone. Glass half full :beer:

We agree, glass half full