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DOH with protections for DL guys is the only fair solution.

Personally, if I have to start giving up seniority and bidding after someone who should be way junior to me, that will be sign that it's time to move on. Lots of cool things to do in this world that don't involve flying airplanes.
 
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DOH with protections for DL guys is the only fair solution.

Personally, if I have to start giving up seniority and bidding after someone who should be way junior to me that will be sign that it's time to move on. Lots of cool things to do in this world that don't involve flying airplanes.


DOH has never really happened in a merger, except when UAL took some Pan Am guys for the Asian ops they bought (primarily to keep those senior Pan Am pilots on those routes). Other than that, there never has been a DOH. What really is fair is Relative Seniority, which keeps you right about where you are now, in the new company. Throw in a little Relative position for certain planes, and a look at salaries, and it could look good. NWA guys may object to some of that, but they are keeping their frozen pensions (the top half anyway I guess), and they will be losing more planes before we will.

Regardless, welcome aboard.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
What really is fair is Relative Seniority, which keeps you right about where you are now, in the new company.


Bye Bye--General Lee

It's not all only about where we at NWA are now but where we would have finished. In my case, it was in the top 5%. Doubt that would be the case if we start straying too far away from DOH.

Welcome onboard the "New" Delta to you as well.
 
Who gives a ******************** how the integration goes. Remember, the NW guys don't want any of those DL bases and don't even conisder the 767 "premium" wide body flying.:rolleyes:
 
Who gives a ******************** how the integration goes. Remember, the NW guys don't want any of those DL bases and don't even conisder the 767 "premium" wide body flying.:rolleyes:

Keep up the useful contributions you add to these discussions, they are very insightful. :rolleyes:
 
It's not all only about where we at NWA are now but where we would have finished. In my case, it was in the top 5%. Doubt that would be the case if we start straying too far away from DOH.

Welcome onboard the "New" Delta to you as well.

I know what you are saying, but the only guy that will be happy will be the number 1 guy. We all have and had different expectations, and we also are not totally equal in certain areas, like pensions and super senior pilots. We lost a bunch of Captains when we lost our pensions, and you kept yours but lost some work rules. You will have a bunch of retirements coming up here, and we would have too about 5 years after yours. How do you give you credit for your upcoming retirements, and also allow us to get credit for ours that were not that far behind. You can't count your retirement chunk and dismiss ours.

As far as relative seniority, you pretty much get to do what you were doing anyway. If you are at 50%, then you should be close to that in a merged company. There could be some tweaking though here and there, for aircraft size (hey, those 744s are darn big), salary (a 12 year DC9 FO makes a lot less per hour than a 4th year 767FO for us), etc. I am sure your NWA MEC will go for everything they can, and so will ours. In the end, it will look close to relative seniority I bet.

One more thing, this below came from your NWA MEC bulletin today (?) concerning pay differences between DL and NWA once the DCC and joint contract kick in.

Pay Rumor: NWA vs. DAL
It has been brought to the attention of the NWA MEC leadership that some pilots believe that when we go
to the DAL pay and work rules, pay raises will be a wash. The foundation of this belief is that we will get a
pay raise followed by less working hours. This is a rumor.
This incorrect statement computes pay based on our NWA monthly max to DAL Average Line Value
(ALV), as if ALV was the max for the month. This is not the case. The ALV is the average. To get the max
for the month, 7.5 hours would need to be added to the monthly ALV (see chart below). In addition, last
year the average pay for DAL pilots was round 84 hours per month; making it possible to get more hours of
pay under the DAL system vs. the current NWA pay system.
NWA DAL
Monthly MAX 90 hrs. Monthly MAX 90 hrs.
Monthly Range
(max -12 hrs)
90-78 hrs. Monthly Range
(max -12 hrs)
90-78 hrs.
Monthly MIN. 75 hrs. Monthly MIN. 75 hrs.
Monthly Range
(min -12 hrs)
75-63 hrs. Monthly Range
(min -12 hrs)
75-63 hrs.



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Pay Rumor: NWA vs. DAL
It has been brought to the attention of the NWA MEC leadership that some pilots believe that when we go
to the DAL pay and work rules, pay raises will be a wash. The foundation of this belief is that we will get a
pay raise followed by less working hours. This is a rumor.
This incorrect statement computes pay based on our NWA monthly max to DAL Average Line Value
(ALV), as if ALV was the max for the month. This is not the case. The ALV is the average. To get the max
for the month, 7.5 hours would need to be added to the monthly ALV (see chart below). In addition, last
year the average pay for DAL pilots was round 84 hours per month; making it possible to get more hours of
pay under the DAL system vs. the current NWA pay system.
NWA DAL
Monthly MAX 90 hrs. Monthly MAX 90 hrs.
Monthly Range
(max -12 hrs)
90-78 hrs. Monthly Range
(max -12 hrs)
90-78 hrs.
Monthly MIN. 75 hrs. Monthly MIN. 75 hrs.
Monthly Range
(min -12 hrs)
75-63 hrs. Monthly Range
(min -12 hrs)
75-63 hrs.

And this came out the VERY next day:

Yesterday’s Hotline contained a piece comparing flight hours under the Northwest contract to the Delta contract. Unfortunately,
this item contained factual inaccuracies and has been pulled from the Hotline. We will provide our pilots with information on this subject in the future.

On another topic, you assume that the same integration method will be used on the entire pilot group. This may be unfounded. The pilots at the top of the list may be treated in an entirely different manner than those in other "segments".

You heard it here first.

Nu
 

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