Airtran Union V.P. Abstains from Picket Vote

[Freight Dog]

What!!! ALPA doesnt decide wether you strike or not its the pilots.

Actually, ALPA has a big say in it, both directly and indirectly. You can huff, puff and have 100% strike vote. Along comes ALPA National with their lawyers who will "convince" you that striking is not in your best interests.

As labbats said... 'different story, same ending' is right.

 

[zman]

Actually, ALPA has a big say in it, both directly and indirectly. You can huff, puff and have 100% strike vote. Along comes ALPA National with their lawyers who will "convince" you that striking is not in your best interests.

As labbats said... 'different story, same ending' is right.

Umm NO, they cannot stop you for striking its up to the pilot group.

 

[Freight Dog]

They can "convince" you to not strike... of course, the ultimate decision is up to the pilot group.

Show me a pilot group that told an ALPA lawyer to f**k off and go against his "convincing." Hell, I'm embarrassed to say instead of going out with some dignity when my airline shut down, thanks to ALPA, we had pilots showing up to fly cargo for free. Hell, ALPA even took out an ad praising those pilots. All that was despite the pilot group decision to strike cargo.

Thank you ALPA National!

 

[Lear70]

They can "convince" you to not strike...

They can try.

of course, the ultimate decision is up to the pilot group.

Show me a pilot group that told an ALPA lawyer to f**k off and go against his "convincing."

The AirTran pilots.

Our chief negotiating legal counsel in D.C. last year was Seth Rosen, who was ALPA for many, many years, came recommended by them, and suggested that we accept T.A.'s 1 and 2 last year.

The pilot group soundly rejected his opinion, and rejected the T.A.'s.

Any more questions...?

 

[Freight Dog]

Outstanding!! But then again - Airtran isn't ALPA either. Let's hope the Airtran pilots don't blink because the stakes just got bigger with this whole strike threat.

I really want to be proven wrong on this... Stay strong NPA!

 

[PCL_128]

Show me a pilot group that told an ALPA lawyer to f**k off and go against his "convincing."

Lots of pilot groups have done this. ACA and TSA are two recent examples. In fact, the ACA Master Chairman that told ALPA Legal to pound sand is currently working here. ALPA attorneys are just like every other attorney: they are extremely cautious and will always try to get you to take the safe bet. Smart leaders know when to listen and when not to. Most ALPA MECs are smart enough to discern the difference.

 

[Freight Dog]

I hope you're right. That's all I can say... I really do hope you're right.

 

[Max Powers]

Having come from a ALPA union I can say without a doubt they have some awesome Attorneys - Harvard or Yale grads with top credentials no Sara Palins in that bunch..........Their pay is in the 200k range and they usually represent 1 to 2 airlines. We all know the history of NPA's current attorney.

 

[zman]

NPA is so worthless its not even funny. Sometimes I seriously wonder why we pay union dues.

 

[carl p]

We need ALPA!

 

[timmay]

Having come from a ALPA union I can say without a doubt they have some awesome Attorneys - Harvard or Yale grads with top credentials no Sara Palins in that bunch..........Their pay is in the 200k range and they usually represent 1 to 2 airlines. We all know the history of NPA's current attorney.

I bet you could count on one hand the number of Harvard or Yale law grads that are making 200k. Dont believe everything you hear.

 

[Lear70]

"livinalie livinalie timmmmaaaay".

What was that about attornies and lying again?

 

[Max Powers]

I bet you could count on one hand the number of Harvard or Yale law grads that are making 200k. Dont believe everything you hear.

opps your right many of the Attorney's there make over 300k..With that kind of money you can retain some significant skill.

PS those are 2005 numbers also.

Bruce York Dir Representation $ 348,955 $ 35,617 $ 384,572
Jonathan Cohen Chief Counsel&dir, Legal $ 366,736 $ 3,213 $ 369,949

Don Skiados Director, Communications $ 306,635 $ 4,752 $ 311,387
Kevin Barnhurst Director, Finance $ 309,429 $ 1,729 $ 311,158

Paul Hallisay Director, Gov't Affairs $ 295,943 $ 6,195 $ 302,138
William Roberts Asst Dir Representation $ 287,391 $ 11,944 $ 299,335

Jim Johnson Managing Attorney, Legal $ 277,013 $ 19,828 $ 296,841
Stephen Crable Asst Dir Representation $ 266,107 $ 17,407 $ 283,514

Seth Rosen Director, Ipsc $ 236,488 $ 46,862 $ 283,350
Keith Hagy Director Eng & Air Safety $ 268,112 $ 4,410 $ 272,522

Jeffrey Small Sr Contr Admin/mec Coord $ 238,517 $ 32,145 $ 270,662
Gene Granof Managing Attorney, Legal $ 264,519 $ 4,443 $ 268,962

Liz Koby Managing Attorney $ 244,656 $ 18,328 $ 262,984
Jerry Anker Managing Attorney, Legal $ 261,212 $ 1,764 $ 262,976

Jim Wilson Asst Dir Representation $ 251,189 $ 11,582 $ 262,771
Dave Vance Director, Retir & Ins $ 257,048 $ 3,391 $ 260,439

Ana Mcahron-schulz Director,econ&fin Anal $ 211,946 $ 27,592 $ 239,538
Bob Christy Mgr, Economic&financial $ 211,096 $ 23,513 $ 234,609
Robert Nichols Sr Contr Admin/mec Coord $ 225,090 $ 6,477 $ 231,567
Patrick Brennaman Sr Contr Admin/mec Coord $ 226,442 $ 3,021 $ 229,463
Russ Bailey Senior Attorney $ 223,322 $ 2,825 $ 226,147
Stephen Nagrotsky Sr Contract Administrator $ 209,270 $ 7,402 $ 216,672
Russell Woody Sr Benefits Attorney $ 205,382 $ 10,019 $ 215,401
Richard Domholt Sr Contract Administrator $ 200,764 $ 12,612 $ 213,376
Charlie Murphy Director, It & Service $ 208,715 $ 1,047 $ 209,762
Marcus Migliore Senior Attorney $ 203,160 $ 852 $ 204,012
Clay Warner Senior Attorney $ 201,639 $ 1,900 $ 203,539
Bob Lipsey Pension Inv Coordinator $ 181,595 $ 18,251 $ 199,846
Art La Flamme Sr Representative $ 184,738 $ 11,416 $ 196,154
Steve Hodgson Sr Field Representative $ 180,438 $ 9,282 $ 189,720
John Schleder Sr Contract Administrator $ 183,983 $ 3,517 $ 187,500
Rob Plunkett Sr Contract Administrator $ 184,118 $ 1,422 $ 185,540
William Elliott Sr Contr Admin/mec Coord $ 180,241 $ 4,396 $ 184,637
Frank Voyack Sr Legislative Rep $ 180,939 $ 3,392 $ 184,331
Jeffrey Macdonald Supv, Collective Bargain $ 165,443 $ 17,421 $ 182,864
Brendan Kenny Sr Legislative Rep $ 181,339 $ 1,425 $ 182,764
Art Luby Sr Contract Administrator $ 175,308 $ 5,955 $ 181,263
Dennis Dolan First Vice-president $ 0 $ 180,874 $ 180,874
Jane Schraft Sr Contract Administrator $ 177,005 $ 3,222 $ 180,227
Betty Ginsburg Senior Attorney $ 177,944 $ 2,106 $ 180,050
Victoria Fortuna Sr Benefits Attorney $ 176,673 $ 2,769 $ 179,442

 

[Fubijaakr]

Jim Wilson Asst Dir Representation

I don't know about the rest of them, but I've worked with this guy personally and he's worth every penny ALPA pays him.

 

[PCL_128]

Jim Wilson Asst Dir Representation

I don't know about the rest of them, but I've worked with this guy personally and he's worth every penny ALPA pays him.

Agreed. I know many of the other guys also, and they're all worth every penny. ALPA has a great legal team and senior staff.