rumors from both NWA and DAL about 717

[wings421]

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[jetflier]

Your opinion counts and has been noted.

For the record, I don't have an opinion on this and mine does not count. I'm just trying to learn about this situation and am curious what the NWA pilots' take on this is.

Not that it will happen anyway. I don't expect the 717 to be flown by Delta. Delta has enough on it's plate already.

Since creating the equity stake in Midwest, NWA has been code sharing and putting pressure on Air Tran's growth plans at MKE.
As we move closer to the official DAL/NWA merger at the end of 2008, Midwest is becomming weaker and much smaller.
In my opinion, Midwest will appeal to the DOJ as well as DAL/NWA to let them help the Midwest employees by absorbing them and saving employee jobs. All this with the blessing of a pending election, making the local incumbents in MKE look like winners. And, DAL/NWA win the prize...
(this was most likely the master plan to get it aproved by the DOJ)

 

[SpauldingSmails]

A little off subject, but have A318's ever been discussed at NWA as DC9 replacements?

 

[nwaredtail]

A little off subject, but have A318's ever been discussed at NWA as DC9 replacements?

Yes, as well as the 717, CRJ new product. IMO, there will never be a DC-9 replacement. Just more E-175's and CRJ-900's. DAL and NWA pilots have shown a willingness to give up scope at every contract, regardless at how they put the lipstick on it.

History is tough to challenge.

 

[michael707767]

DAL and NWA pilots have shown a willingness to give up scope at every contract, regardless at how they put the lipstick on it.

wow, someone who understands what is going on.

 

[Occam's Razor]

History is tough to challenge.

Sometimes...it's even tough to remember correctly.

Did Scope just "appear"...or was it gained by those pilot groups over time? Give me a Labor-friendly NMB, and a Dept of Labor that helps Labor...and you'll see a recovery of what we've lost, and more gains.

Cuz THAT'S our history.

 

[Tref]

A little off subject, but have A318's ever been discussed at NWA as DC9 replacements?

They looked at it, but decided that with the cost and fuel burns so close to the 319 you'd be better off just getting more 319s and flying with some extra empty seats. Obviously you'd have more flexibility that way as well.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

They looked at it, but decided that with the cost and fuel burns so close to the 319 you'd be better off just getting more 319s and flying with some extra empty seats. Obviously you'd have more flexibility that way as well.

Thanks. Seems to make sense.

 

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Sometimes...it's even tough to remember correctly.

Did Scope just "appear"...or was it gained by those pilot groups over time? Give me a Labor-friendly NMB, and a Dept of Labor that helps Labor...and you'll see a recovery of what we've lost, and more gains.

Cuz THAT'S our history.

Occam, the scope that defines our profession was negotiated by an ALPA that had a religious zeal to stamp out alter ego replacements.

Today the majority of our membership apparently wants this flying to be outsourced. How else do you explain ALPA's agreement to displace DC9 flying to Compass? How else do you explain the ratification of this outsourcing by both the NWA and the Delta pilots?

Our scope problem is first, internal. We are not even enquiring about fixing it when seated at the table.

Do you agree that the consensus at the grass roots level needs to change first? Do you think there is support for really taking it back?

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They looked at it, but decided that with the cost and fuel burns so close to the 319 you'd be better off just getting more 319s and flying with some extra empty seats. Obviously you'd have more flexibility that way as well.

Apparently there is interest in a A319/320 with the Pratt GTF's. AirBus is already started on the certification and a re-fit will probably be offered to operators of the aircraft. I'm not sure how long it would take to pay off the engine swap, looks like the fuel savings would be about $1.4 to $2.0 million per airframe per year if they hit the 15% number relative to a PW6000.

In my crazy way of thinking, why not hang a pair on the back of a DC9-50, or MD88?

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...x?guid={78772766-E41A-4FE5-A2CD-F239A0EFA16B}

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...pratt-whitneys-obsession-with-the-geared.html