Cal System Bid

[cal73cap]

Cal system bid is out. 146 Capt. reductions and 39 Fo reductions.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Does that mean furloughs? If so, how many?

 

[cal 73]

Does that mean furloughs? If so, how many?

The way i read it, 185 minus ( LTVRF / 4 ).

Last i heard we had about 200 LTVRF so 185 - 50 = 135.

 

[tie1on]

who really knows. the company wants scope relief.

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

they are hoping by using the 148 hostages the pilots will cave. not likely. it is negotiations 101 they are playing hardball, getting ready for the merger with united. it is going to happen just don't know when


With all the cross training about to happen and the open time whores reaching far limits. don't plan on traveling around xmas or thanksgiving

cal is becoming another regional with big aircraft, waht a s%%thole

 

[Kugelblitz]

who really knows. the company wants scope relief.

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

they are hoping by using the 148 hostages the pilots will cave. not likely. it is negotiations 101 they are playing hardball, getting ready for the merger with united. it is going to happen just don't know when


With all the cross training about to happen and the open time whores reaching far limits. don't plan on traveling around xmas or thanksgiving

cal is becoming another regional with big aircraft, waht a s%%thole

I agree about us being a regional airline (aren't our 757's just international RJ's?). I wouldn't hold your breath about merging with UAL, wishful thinking for the UAL employees perhaps, but not realistic. CAL is waiting for a potential fire sale, not that I wish that on the UAL employees.

 

[hockeypilot44]

I still think US Airways will merge with United. We shall see.

 

[whatitdoing?]

If we were going to merge with United, it would of been done already. It's not going to happen.....we're waiting for a fire sale of United.....

 

[densoo]

PREMIUM PAY FOR CLE B737 CAs & FOs

As of today at 1100CT, if you are a B737 First Officer or Captain in CLE that does a straight pickup from open time of a full pairing that originates on August 15th through August 18th, 2008, that pickup will be treated as a voluntary junior manning(VJM) event and you will be paid a minimum of 4:30/day or flight time flown, whichever is greater, at 150% of your normal hourly rate.

System bid is open, 150 with 5 Sep furlough letters, manpower is running numbers to see how many actually get furloughed. Every open time pickup tells company they can fly with fewer pilots. This is not just numbers. People you know, people you fly with, are on the bubble. Will you help them? Or help the company?

 

[RT8VA]

I second that about picking up of open time, while we are clearly going to furlough a few for whatever reason we just started offering vjm again for ewr and cle 737. The choices we make!


I would dispute however that we are just a regional it wasn't that long ago I remember how that flying was, I will take my 24 hour mbj layovers over seven legs a day that I did for years to end up in BFE.

ps. not my logon my buddies from NJets so dont bash him thanks.

 

[lookin4better]

I know this question is a little stupid, however I will ask anyway ....

Does anyone think this amount of furloughs ( whatever the end number may be ) is the total ? or will there be more in subsequent months?

How long are they expecting to be on the street?

When they get called back...and hiring resumes, will they have the same person in charge or that will be TBD at the time.

Thanks for your ideas ( I understand its only opinion )

 

[ATRCA]

I know this question is a little stupid, however I will ask anyway ....

Does anyone think this amount of furloughs ( whatever the end number may be ) is the total ? or will there be more in subsequent months?

How long are they expecting to be on the street?

When they get called back...and hiring resumes, will they have the same person in charge or that will be TBD at the time.

Thanks for your ideas ( I understand its only opinion )

I just can't see how they could furlough more than the 148 with staffing the way it is. I was called today for JM'ing and I have my framed furlough letter already. Personally, I'm cool with the furlough. I have work lined up and I'm looking for a break. I think there will be only one furlough and the unofficial word is that it will last somewhere in the 18 month range.......?? I don't think anything is concrete at this point.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Sorry... this sucks.

 

[CapnVegetto]

I have a close buddy that works there, and he doesn't think the furlough will last long at all. He's betting that everyone will be called back by spring or summer of next year at the latest and they will be hiring again next fall. We'll see though. Only reason they're even furloughing is age 65.

 

[lookin4better]

Is the parking of the classic 737s part of the reason for furlough?

Or are the deliveries of Boeings offsetting that?

I actually think the furlough will be shorter then expected also.

I wonder if the recruiting department will be the same people or a new bunch?

 

[SMOE]

I have a close buddy that works there, and he doesn't think the furlough will last long at all. He's betting that everyone will be called back by spring or summer of next year at the latest and they will be hiring again next fall. We'll see though. Only reason they're even furloughing is age 65.

Let's make one thing clear: Age 65 hasn't got a da*&ed thing to do with this. Our wonderful co-workers (the ones with the 7 figure salaries) are playing hardball contract negotiations.
I for one look upon this furlough as the honorable way out of a HUGE mistake and am actually looking forward to it. No, I won't be coming back.

 

[Superpilot92]

Let's make one thing clear: Age 65 hasn't got a da*&ed thing to do with this. Our wonderful co-workers (the ones with the 7 figure salaries) are playing hardball contract negotiations.
I for one look upon this furlough as the honorable way out of a HUGE mistake and am actually looking forward to it. No, I won't be coming back.

I hate to hear it man, i hope you land on your feet quickly. good luck

 

[Furloughed80]

Let's make one thing clear: Age 65 hasn't got a da*&ed thing to do with this. Our wonderful co-workers (the ones with the 7 figure salaries) are playing hardball contract negotiations.
I for one look upon this furlough as the honorable way out of a HUGE mistake and am actually looking forward to it. No, I won't be coming back.

Age 65 may not be the reason we are furloughing, but if the rule stayed at age 60 CAL would definitely not be furloughing right now. We would have lost 200 pilots this year and just over 200 pilots in 2009. Every new-hire would still be on property.

 

[SMOE]

Age 65 may not be the reason we are furloughing, but if the rule stayed at age 60 CAL would definitely not be furloughing right now. We would have lost 200 pilots this year and just over 200 pilots in 2009. Every new-hire would still be on property.

OK, I'll agree with you there on the retirement #s. But mgt is furloughing because they can, not because they have to. Heard a couple of guys in the EWR crewroom yesterday talking about the CFO's retirement package. The cost of his JAX lifetime parking spot would've easily covered the salaries of the guys and gals getting kicked to the street. Dignity and Respect? Maybe for themselves but it certainly isn't trickling downhill.

 

[Furloughed80]

Agreed. This furlough should not happen.

 

[Tonto]

Let's make one thing clear: Age 65 hasn't got a da*&ed thing to do with this. Our wonderful co-workers (the ones with the 7 figure salaries) are playing hardball contract negotiations.
I for one look upon this furlough as the honorable way out of a HUGE mistake and am actually looking forward to it. No, I won't be coming back.

Welcome to the airlines. Don't believe everything you are told; do some research on your own and make your own educated decision. Furloughs at CAL are a direct result of age 65. Sorry you made such a HUGE mistake by coming to the airlines. Maybe you should take a look at what you are getting into before you make a career change. The unions have always been here, and they always will. If you don't like it, don't come to the airlines, you won't be missed.

 

[SMOE]

Welcome to the airlines. Don't believe everything you are told; do some research on your own and make your own educated decision. Furloughs at CAL are a direct result of age 65. Sorry you made such a HUGE mistake by coming to the airlines. Maybe you should take a look at what you are getting into before you make a career change. The unions have always been here, and they always will. If you don't like it, don't come to the airlines, you won't be missed.

Well Chief. you must be one of the "F*&k you , I got mine, who's with me?" senior crowd at CAL.
I did my research, this is not my first airline, and you can kiss my a$$

 

[Pilot Knob]

Word!

 

[Flopgut]

Welcome to the airlines. Don't believe everything you are told; do some research on your own and make your own educated decision. Furloughs at CAL are a direct result of age 65. Sorry you made such a HUGE mistake by coming to the airlines. Maybe you should take a look at what you are getting into before you make a career change. The unions have always been here, and they always will. If you don't like it, don't come to the airlines, you won't be missed.

This is the same type person who was telling you how great it was before you applied. It would be nice if there was more honest dialog about how this gig has turned out. Of course that means guys like Tonto have to admit things about theirselves they are unwilling to.

 

[proptojet]

Well Chief. you must be one of the "F*&k you , I got mine, who's with me?" senior crowd at CAL.
I did my research, this is not my first airline, and you can kiss my a$$

Smoe,

Don't pay attention to this arse. The majority of us feel your pain and are pulling for you guys. I hope you guys get picked up by other airlines and walk with your FREE type ratings. Then maybe some jackass downtown will realize screwing with your pilots is not good for business. Good luck with everything.

 

[Tonto]

Well Chief. you must be one of the "F*&k you , I got mine, who's with me?" senior crowd at CAL.
I did my research, this is not my first airline, and you can kiss my a$$

You must be an another angry Express Jet pilot who things the world (and CAL) owes them something. I've been furloughed from another major and had to start all over again. I'm tired up people blaming others about this job as if they had "no idea" what they were getting into. If you don't like it, it's your own fault for coming. You need to rethink your research methods and grow up.

 

[SMOE]

You must be an another angry Express Jet pilot who things the world (and CAL) owes them something. I've been furloughed from another major and had to start all over again. I'm tired up people blaming others about this job as if they had "no idea" what they were getting into. If you don't like it, it's your own fault for coming. You need to rethink your research methods and grow up.

Nobody owes me $hit. I've paid my own way through this world. The only time I asked for help, it landed in at Scabinental. So, a$$munch, your right on one thing, I do blame myself for my temporary situation.
I'm guessing you like it at CAL so much as you must be one of the bottom-feeding, open time whores; padding your paycheck at your fellow pilots' expense.
Congratulations Chief. You just made my ignore list.

 

[RT8VA]

Sorry for you not liking it so much here I am sure certain attitudes expressed here don't really help. I for one just cast my vote to pay for the furloughs insurance since the voting opened today, hope every one gets on and makes the right vote. If you don't have your voting registration just call the alpa office it takes less then 5 minutes to get a new one. Good luck to all the furloughs I hope those that want to come back to a better cal and those that don't enjoy where then end up.

 

[On Your Six]

You must be an another angry Express Jet pilot who things the world (and CAL) owes them something. I've been furloughed from another major and had to start all over again. I'm tired up people blaming others about this job as if they had "no idea" what they were getting into. If you don't like it, it's your own fault for coming. You need to rethink your research methods and grow up.

Nice attitude. You must be a pleasure to fly with. I am glad I got out of the airline biz - I can avoid flying with holier-than-thou dorks like you.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Sorry for you not liking it so much here I am sure certain attitudes expressed here don't really help. I for one just cast my vote to pay for the furloughs insurance since the voting opened today, hope every one gets on and makes the right vote. If you don't have your voting registration just call the alpa office it takes less then 5 minutes to get a new one. Good luck to all the furloughs I hope those that want to come back to a better cal and those that don't enjoy where then end up.

S-hit....you could take ONE yearly management bonus and pay every single one of those furloughees for the entire time they're furloughed and then some at their salary.

Management makes me want to fcking puke. It was said perfectly earlier, they don't HAVE to furlough, they are simply doing it because they can. I'll bet anyone on this board a blow-job from a Colombian w-hore that as soon as these furloughs happen, they'll be moaning and groaning about needing you to take less on a contract and how these furloughs are proof of that. Bulls-hit.

Stay strong guys! Don't give them anything.

 

[Palomino]

You must be an another angry Express Jet pilot who things the world (and CAL) owes them something.

i'm proud to be an angry FORMER ExpressJet pilot.

if you're not fuming over the working conditions that have been allowed by the pilot force at CAL then i don't know how to convince you otherwise.

thanks for lumping the FORMER ExpressJet pilots together. if we are all seen as angry and willing to push back when we are shoved around then i have no problem with the label.

CAL pilots continue to tear open their own wounds and i don't get it. move onward and upward and stop blaming others for where we are. it's my fault and it's your fault and it's OUR responsibility to fix things.

time to get started...