Attention: Conservative Obsessive Captains

[rtwo]

exactly.
there must be some order so that capitalism can prevail. government exists to slow and attempt to stop corruption-the only true enemy of capitalism. when you argue for no government- you argue for lawlessness

Rtwo- i'll do some research and get you those answers.

In the meantime-- i've been hearing the right-wing propoganda saying how obama will raise taxes on us (I think a lot of us are still living in the past.) According to the july 26th issue of the economist- taxes will remain w/in .7% in relation to gdp regardless of which candidate- 18.3% of gdp for Obama and 17.6% for mccain- post wwII average is 18% - the major difference is that the top 5th of wage earners (GUYS- THAT'S NOT US ANY LONGER) >$250,000 will see tax cuts under mccain- and be raised from 35%-39.5% under obama- while both propose cuts for the 98% of households earning under $250k Obama's cuts for middle class earners FAR exceed mccain for all class groups in the bottom 4/5's of wage earners. while mccain's largest tax breaks are for those in the top fifth of earners.

I CAN ONLY HOPE WE GET CONTRACTS WHERE WE CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT THE TAX RATES UNDER OBAMA.

BUT IF YOU VOTE MCCAIN- YOU WILL NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF LEVERAGE.

If you want argue spending-- you'll have to look at our current president before i can be scared of obama.

How is your research coming? Here are a couple of vocabulary words if you care to research them:

1) Passive income

2) Anarchy

May I make a couple of points:

Wealth refers more to Net worth than to Salary.

You can become weathy on just about any salary. However, gov't confiscation of any of your salary for whatever good or bad reasons, increases the time it will take to become wealthy.

If you are paid a salary chances are you are not wealthy (unless maybe you are paying your own salary).

A $250k/year salary is not wealthy nor should it be a reason to single someone out for financial punishment. It may sign that someone is more productive than average.

Now a few more questions for your research:

Under Obama what percent of a workers first $10,000 of annual income will be paid in SS/medicare (FICA) tax? How much under McCain?

What percent of a workers first $100,000 of salary/wage goes to FICA?

Is FICA confiscated on a workers production over $100,000/year?

Is FICA confiscated on an investors passive income?

Is there any corruption in gov't or is the private sector the sole repository of corruption?

 

[McNugget]

I thought that was to get down flight attendants' pants.

I think what Bob meant to say was: "up flight attendants' skirts".

 

[Papps]

Wealth refers more to Net worth than to Salary.

You can become weathy on just about any salary. However, gov't confiscation of any of your salary for whatever good or bad reasons, increases the time it will take to become wealthy.

If you are paid a salary chances are you are not wealthy (unless maybe you are paying your own salary).

A $250k/year salary is not wealthy nor should it be a reason to single someone out for financial punishment. It may sign that someone is more productive than average.

Someone has been shopping in the self-help/finance section at barnes and nobel. Is that "Rich dad, Poor dad" or a random snippet from Tony Robbins.

 

[rtwo]

How do people know when there is the occasional mouse in the meat?

Why would would someone put mouse in hamburger? Has the mouse been skined and guted so its presence is not easily detected? (A fairly labor intensive task for the devious corporations to perform just to trick unsuspecting costumers into eating mouse and for what reason?) Again help me understand your fear of mouse in your burger. What is the evil corporate motivation?

Are you arguing that what they don't know won't hurt them?

No, thats not my argument but since you brought it up can you counter you own hypethetical?

If not- then you are arguing for oversight... which is the point of gov't.... and it's an age old problem this "who watches the watchers?" arguement you're about to make....

Is that the point of gov't? What about smart people like PCL_128 who say they don't need regulation/oversight? He does think it is needed for others though.

Who is watching the watchers anyway? And the watchers of the watcher watchers? How 'bout a little more watching after ourselves.




I think you are very spoiled by the order that a correct gov't does provide.

I am spoiled by the Greatness of America. Greatness that I attribute not to regulation but freedom. Freedom for which we owe a debt of gratitude that we can never hope to repay.

 

[Dan Roman]

Someone has been shopping in the self-help/finance section at barnes and nobel. Is that "Rich dad, Poor dad" or a random snippet from Tony Robbins.

ROTFLMAO! That was good, you nailed it. The fact is their is a huge amount of wealth being shifted from the previously middle class and into the hands of a much smaller group of people in the U.S. The people who control the companies are getting greedier and greedier. United is a typical example. They raped the workers and than passed out 100's of millions of dollars to a small percentage of management and to stockholders.
You folks that think they shouldn't be taxed on those windfalls (They didn't "earn" it, they stole it) are wrong. Something has to be done to slow the huge income gap in this country between the have's and have nots or we will collapse into anarchy.

 

[Papps]

I am spoiled by the Greatness of America. Greatness that I attribute not to regulation but freedom. Freedom for which we owe a debt of gratitude that we can never hope to repay.

Government oversight is what is known as a system of "checks and balances" its helps people do the right thing when its more economical to do the wrong thing.

Its not perfect, like any other complex system, it breaks down and needs maintenance.

I realize that the "far right" has problems understanding what checks and balances are for, and why we would use them.

 

[Dan Roman]

Or "new rich", where on a $ 18,000 F/O salary ,you buy that 92' lexus and rack up credit card and daddy debt to buy plasma screens and expensive clothes, then talk to everyone within ear shot about how worried you are about a tax hike affecting your income from ".........." (insert the name of whatever major airline name that your regional flies for.)

Then have the nads to spout off about personal responsibility and right wing values.

You're right, I know a guy who came from a wealthy family and had everything handed to him on a silver platter. He is a big fan of Rush Limbaugh, right wing values and "personal responsibilty". He is very disdainful of those not as fortunate as he and basicly doesn't have a clue. Seems like a common right wing trait.

 

[sat74]

Huckabee and Ron Paul, among others, knew the truth. Its time for everyone to wake up!

Cracking the Code

 

[Papps]

You're right, I know a guy who came from a wealthy family and had everything handed to him on a silver platter. He is a big fan of Rush Limbaugh, right wing values and "personal responsibilty". He is very disdainful of those not as fortunate as he and basicly doesn't have a clue. Seems like a common right wing trait.

lol Yeah personal responsibility seems to exclude "daddy money".

 

[FLYLOW22]

Hey uh... get the gear, would ya?

 

[waveflyer]

I am spoiled by the Greatness of America. Greatness that I attribute not to regulation but freedom. Freedom for which we owe a debt of gratitude that we can never hope to repay.

You can go to Africa and have all the lawlessness and corruption you'd like.

Or you can be part of the solution. Gov't does serve a role. The goal is to keep it balanced, so that capitalism doesn't turn into feudalism. Spoiled is an out of order comment from me- what it sounds like is that you have forgotten the corruption of the early 1900's corporations. Do we really want that type of social class system again?

The goal is equal opportunity for each person to use their skills to the best of their ability- and screw every person who's poor and doesn't apply themselves- and every person who's rich and takes more than they've earned.

Imagine playing football or basketball w/ no rules? The stage must be set for fair competition. Then, may the best win out.

 

[waveflyer]

by the way...
"who watches the watchers" comes from the latin phrase:

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

is a Latin phrase from the Roman poet Juvenal, variously translated as "Who watches the watchmen?", "Who watches the watchers?", "Who will guard the guards?", "Who shall watch the watchers themselves?", or similar.
The essential problem was posed by Plato in the Republic, his work on government and morality. The perfect society as described by Socrates, the main character of the work (see Socratic dialogue), relies on laborers, slaves and tradesmen. The guardian class is to protect the city. The question is put to Socrates, "Who will guard the guardians?" or, "Who will protect us against the protectors?" Plato's answer to this is that they will guard themselves against themselves. We must tell the guardians a "noble lie." The noble lie will inform them that they are better than those they serve and it is therefore their responsibility to guard and protect those lesser than themselves. We will instill in them a distaste for power or privilege; they will rule because they believe it right, not because they desire it.
The saying has since been used by many people to ponder the insoluble question of where ultimate power should reside. The way in which modern democracies attempt to solve this problem is in the separation of powers. The idea is to never give ultimate power to any one group; the executive, legislative, or judicial; have the interests of each compete and conflict. Each group will then find it in its best interest to impede the functioning of the rest and this will keep ultimate power under constant struggle and, thereby, out of any one group's hands.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

Who Watches the Watchers?

We do. That's why we have the 2nd amendment.

 

[Tweaker]

Two great posts in a row!

I am starting a fan club for Justice Antonin Scalia. Write to join!

NAMBLA
69 My Mom's Basement
Dreamy Judge, VA 90210

 

[Papps]

Two great posts in a row!

I am starting a fan club for Justice Antonin Scalia. Write to join!

NAMBLA
69 My Mom's Basement
Dreamy Judge, VA 90210

Tweaker what is NAMBLA and why do you belong to it? I am guessing its a exclusive right wing club. I will keep an eye on fox news to see if i can get informed.

 

[spitfire1500]

Did you fail math?

He joined the U.S. Senate on Jan 4, 2005. Slightly more than 140 days ago. He joined the senate in Illinois in 1997. Do you really think being a lifetime politician is the best credentials one can have for the job?

He was only physically there 147 days...read about his economic plan in the Wall St. ... Obamanomics...who is going to pay for all these promises....Obama is a joke.... the dems are throwing away another one...instead of a solid middle of the roader or a candidate just slightly left they pick this guy! What a bunch of idiots...Bush esssentially handed the office to the Dems this year and now they're gonna blow it. When Obama actually has to answer questions in a debate it will be pretty entertaining....the latest quote from this clown "Georgia and Russia are having a little neighborly spat" what a freakin idiot!!
I'm a registered Dem and I wont vote for him.....

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

in the Wall St. ... Obamanomics...

HMMMMM....owned by Rupert Murdoch now, right?

 

[gunfyter]

Capitalism ... BAD!

Capitalist Conspiracy

47 mins

 

[Tweaker]

Tweaker what is NAMBLA and why do you belong to it? I am guessing its a exclusive right wing club. I will keep an eye on fox news to see if i can get informed.

As Michael Jackson would say..."You're ignorant!"

It was a self-deprecating joke, you cretin. Have your grandson "google it" for you.

I just watched the Messiah and McCain last night at their event with the Saddleback Mountain Church. (slogan - Jezus, I can't quit you!)

It is nearly impossible; and it is mindnumbing to try to glean anything from UMbama's attempts at eloquence. I counted 22 UMs in one answer alone. It is to the point that now all I hear when he speaks is the UMs, AHHs and "like I've always saids." At one point I thought he was breaking into Phil Collins' Susudio. "So so so sudio!"

Bush was no wordsmith or smoove when he spoke, but at least it was incontrovertible what he meant. His message was loud and clear. The media's dislike of it was a factor in their attempt to label him as "stupid." Meanwhile, UMbama cannot and WILL NOT let the American people know his true beliefs. That would be a disaster. Sans teleprompter, this liberal lefty simply stumbles, rumbles and fumbles at the line of scrimmage.

Since his main plan for the defense of our country is to essentially hug it out and talk em out of harming us, you can imagine my total lack of "faith" or "hope" for a positive outcome.

NObama 2008

 

[waveflyer]

i love seeing you guys all riled up

b.c this time-= you're gonna lose.

and you're gonna lose b/c the population put our trust in the republican party and got screwed- and the whole country is messed up.

The only sad fact is that a republican won't be there to clean up the mess