Airtran=alpa!!!! The Time Is Now

[STL717]

You AirTran pilots need a little lesson.

The letters that make up you union has nothing to do with your strength. NPA, ALPA or APC, it doesn’t matter. Your strength comes from within. Each and every one of you AirTran pilots makes your union strong or weak. Collectively as a group your actions and more importantly, inactions determine your strength as a pilot union and thus your destiny. Apathy is your enemy.

You are not management and thus have no control how the airline navigates through this difficult time. You do have control over how management treats you as a group.

Maybe it’s time you as an individual stepped up to the bar and became more involved in the union. A unified pilot group is a strong pilot group.

(APC- AirTran Pilot Coalition)

 

[CoolSidePillow]

NO ALPA!!!

Just shut those holes in your faces.

 

[ASADriver]

Lets be real about this. Management played a hand of poker and won. What exactly was GAINED by this last LOA, Please tell. Management gave exactly what they wanted us have. The retired guys still in the training dept. A bunch of the company may's and that is it. I think it is time for the backing of a national union. How do you think it looks with what happened yesterday. The NPA is the laughing stock amid management. When you log into the NPA website you have a 3 page letter about the MEMRAT and nothing about the furloughs or displacement bid that came out today, or what does TBD "we will let you know your status in a few weeks" deal. What does that mean? The union leaders should be all over this and posting something immediately. Hello !!!!!!

Why did you even leave ASA? You had a good gig over here.

 

[ASADriver]

We need more details on the police coming to the union hall. What happened?

 

[jehtplane]

Why did you even leave ASA? You had a good gig over here.

Hows oakland?

 

[bladeusa]

Regardless of the letters behind it, a union is only as strong as its members.. and no union is perfect. However, after being a member of both alpa and the npa, i honestly feel alpa would be better than what we have. The people we are up against have been doing this along time. I think our guys try to the best of their abilities, but we need the stronger support and resources.
If there is yet another petition to sign, im willing.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

You AirTran pilots need a little lesson.

The letters that make up you union has nothing to do with your strength. NPA, ALPA or APC, it doesn’t matter. Your strength comes from within. Each and every one of you AirTran pilots makes your union strong or weak. Collectively as a group your actions and more importantly, inactions determine your strength as a pilot union and thus your destiny. Apathy is your enemy.

You are not management and thus have no control how the airline navigates through this difficult time. You do have control over how management treats you as a group.

Maybe it’s time you as an individual stepped up to the bar and became more involved in the union. A unified pilot group is a strong pilot group.

(APC- AirTran Pilot Coalition)

Ding Ding Ding Ding, We have a winner! Typical these days to blame others, we individually are the union and what we do or don't do day in and day out has a heck of a lot more to do with our success or failure than the acronym on the stickers.

The truly depressing fact is that we have a ton of guys who want the spoils of war, but have no stomach for the fight

 

[JoeMerchant]

The truly depressing fact is that we have a ton of guys who want the spoils of war, but have no stomach for the fight

Exactly.....ALPA doesn't change that fact....

There will never be the stomach for the fight unless there is a safety net.....ie lateral movements......

We can argue all day long...and will.....but without transportability of seniority, nothing will change....

 

[SkiFishFly]

I agree that we will only be as strong as we the pilots at AAI make it. The letters behind the union mean little or nothing.

If we sign up for the likes of ALPA, all we will be doing is joining a union which is actually in decline and sending our dues money off to pay the ridiculous salaries of a bunch of guys who couldn't give a dam about AirTran.

It would be much smarter to spend our dues money on better lawyers (even if they are ALPA hired as consultants) and keep our in-house BOD.

With ALPA, it will cost us all more money and we will still only be as strong as our own mec/lec (not sure which acro is correct). We just need to get together as a group.


Remember it was the Company and management that took this lower than whale sheite approach to defend the training department. The BOD was stuck between a rock and a hard place and took what they felt was the best action to protect our fellow pilots. Let's direct the anger and disappointment where it belongs - towards the company leadership.

 

[sweptback]

With ALPA, it will cost us all more money and we will still only be as strong as our own mec/lec (not sure which acro is correct). We just need to get together as a group.

How would it cost you more money when ALPA dues are less than NPA dues?

 

[twepilot]

ALPA, No effn way brother!!

RV

 

[PCL_128]

How would it cost you more money when ALPA dues are less than NPA dues?

My thoughts exactly. Pay less, get more. Sounds good to me.

 

[Sunking]

Alpa may or maynot be the answer, but I must say I had the warm fuzzies with Alpa legal in the back pocket . NPA legal scares me, Been here for years but I still feel like I'm on probation. Company does'nt want you on the property, you're gone. I don't think ALPA would have let Lear hanging.

 

[El Pobre]

Well with ALPA, Prater probably wouldn't have signed off on our "Give away" LOA's. All LOA's are give aways. We have received nothing in return. ALPA would provide a National structure that our Union boys need. Education is a good start.

I wouldn't be so quick to believe that Prater will stand like a brick wall against a bad LOA. ALPA National endoresed a terrible LOA at FEDEX that has out pilots based overseas with no COLA (basically a 50% paycut based on the present value of the Euro) in return for a token housing allowance and small increase in the amount of clothing you could take over with you. Oh yeah, we also get a 3 hour limo ride to the airport before starting the all night drool.

It's a great LOA that was shoved down out throat by the MEC and all the Memphis guys who "didn't care because they weren't going to bid it".

If I was an airtran guy, I would focus on improving NPA from within, rather that expect for ALPA to solve all your problems and to tax your 401K in order to maintain the national officers salaries.

Remember Prater's battle cry...Takin' it back (from the next generation!!!)

 

[El Pobre]

Alpa may or maynot be the answer, but I must say I had the warm fuzzies with Alpa legal in the back pocket . NPA legal scares me, Been here for years but I still feel like I'm on probation. Company does'nt want you on the property, you're gone. I don't think ALPA would have let Lear hanging.

I had a friend involved in an accident and he wasn't too impressed with ALPA legal...whose solution was to let him get "fired" and then a backhanded deal to get hired back a year later.

He represented himself and kept his job, no time off.

If I were involved in an accident or incident (knock on wood) I would hire my own lawyer...based on the experiences of my friend and ALPA national.