United Takes Action to Protect Customers

[PCL_128]

Does the RLA need to be modify? Or just interpreted favorably?

Modified. Favorable interpretations only last as long as you've got a labor-friendly administration. More stringent language would last no matter who's in office.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Modified. Favorable interpretations only last as long as you've got a labor-friendly administration. More stringent language would last no matter who's in office.

what do we need to change and what can we realistically change?

 

[SoCentralRain]

The last post that was on topic was 23 posts ago. Somethings about United protecting its passengers from pilots.

::sigh:: Yeah, pretty much.

I wish those on this thread that would like to discuss and debate the Dem vs. Rep crap would take it to the "non-aviation topics" forum.

This thread is about UAL and how they are absolutely ruthless in fcuking over all of the employees of a once-great airline. Sadly, they decided to pick on the pilots first.

Everyone on this board should be furious about this. If you don't think it could happen with your airline, you're way, way wrong.

SCR

 

[waveflyer]

Are you assuming that I'm voting for McCain?

No.

But the reasons most conservatives don't like mccain are not reasons that will support our career. Mccain's view on unions are one aspect where he actually is in line w/ the Republican party.

 

[saabservant]

REZ:

How about a change to non-political appointees to the NMB?

A national seniority list, which would allow you to retain seniority when leaving a job, and to take only openings where they occur...

A change to the RLA, which enslaves us, or a new code to operate under...

A new, invigorated, courageous alpa leadership, willing to engage in civil disobedience. Willing to actually take a risk to fight for this profession. Willing to lock the lawyers up in a closet....for only 30 minutes....

You have no idea how unified this nations pilots could become, with only a little leadership...

some of these things may be attainable with a democratic admin., or maybe not.

A vote for McCain is a looming disaster for U.S. airline pilots... and if anyone thinks McCain is better at defence or security, look at Bush and his crew- all the stellar resumes, and they still fu**** up Iraqistan....

 

[timmay]

what do we need to change and what can we realistically change?

That is the reason I am so happy to be saving my 2% that I was giving alpa. Every time the regional I worked for violated the contract I would go bitch to the union reps and that was there response "well we can't do anything about that until the next contract". It made me sickuke:

 

[Superpilot92]

Listen, its not a coincidence that the McCain Campaign uses a non-Union Airbus operator for the campaign plane, "Straight Talk Express."

The message isn't even subliminal.

McCain doesnt fly in an airbus. He now flies in a 737-400 it was parked in DTW not long ago. we flew right over it. Its white and blue with a gold stripe and says Mcain in big letters on the side. FWIW

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/us/politics/29plane.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

 

[Captzaahlie]

The last post that was on topic was 23 posts ago. Somethings about United protecting its passengers from pilots.

let em go they are on a roll.........

 

[Captzaahlie]

That is the reason I am so happy to be saving my 2% that I was giving alpa. Every time the regional I worked for violated the contract I would go bitch to the union reps and that was there response "well we can't do anything about that until the next contract". It made me sickuke:

Regionals never pumped enough money into alpa to get any satisfaction. Especially when they fell in the shadows of being wholly boned, I mean owned by a legacy.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

REZ:

How about a change to non-political appointees to the NMB?

How would the selection process occur?

The other way is vote in a pro pilot pro labor POTUS.

A national seniority list, which would allow you to retain seniority when leaving a job, and to take only openings where they occur...

A NSL in my opinion is good for regressive times like the last seven years but bad in growth times...

Plus what about pay? Why would management pay 10 year pay for a new hire?

A change to the RLA, which enslaves us, or a new code to operate under...

It is all about negotiations.. what are we willing to give up...

A new, invigorated, courageous alpa leadership, willing to engage in civil disobedience. Willing to actually take a risk to fight for this profession. Willing to lock the lawyers up in a closet....for only 30 minutes....

Not sure the public is ready for civil disobedience... it didn't work for PATCO and the APA...

UAL is already suing the Marvin Mainliners.... a pre-emptive strike on labor before Bush goes away??

You have no idea how unified this nations pilots could become, with only a little leadership...

I do and I agree.. it seems though that we put our hopes for a better career solely on the the ALPA president.

What if the ALPA prez isn't effective. What if for the next election, there are no real leaders running?

The ALPA Prez is THE leader but we are leaders too.

Problem is... if 20,000+ Air Line Pilots march the DC mall, the union leaders would not have to say anything. They could just look at the WH and CapHill and say... We the leaders of APA, IPA, NAP, ALPA are in control...

But too many pilots function as independents. Too many pilots will not show up to LEC meetings, to vote, to demonstrations because they have their pet issues, like 401k dues, Age 65, or whatever... that is not leadership...

some of these things may be attainable with a democratic admin., or maybe not.

A pro pilot/pro labor Admin is just one piece of the puzzle. There are no silver bullets...

A vote for McCain is a looming disaster for U.S. airline pilots... and if anyone thinks McCain is better at defence or security, look at Bush and his crew- all the stellar resumes, and they still fu**** up Iraqistan....

The RLA is just a part of the puzzle.. we don't need a re-write but changes are in order... keep in mind though that changes to the RLA in labors favor is going to be met with harsh resistance.. from gov't, consumer groups and most of all the Corporati's...

gov't, consumers and Corporati's have more money and numbers than a couple of 100,000 union workers...


There is no quick solution... but check out these quotes from Vince Lombardi...

People who work together will win, whether it be against complex football defenses, or the problems of modern society.

The achievements of an organization are the results of the combined effort of each individual.

A big problem is too many pilots don't want to do any work or effort to their career success, but they want the rewards....

What has never been done before in ALPA is pilots taking a leadership role themselves... no clear answers...

but as we demand that the RLA change, that elected leaders change, that gov't change and CEO's change... we never think much about changing ourselves...