United Takes Action to Protect Customers

[nimtz]

Sad, just f*cking sad. Mr Tilton, have a look at Ken Lay. Karma can be a b!tch even when you think you are safely retired...

 

[BOOZENEWS]

The sad part is that United may prevail.

Corporations own the court system and Labor Dept in the United States.

With these SOBs in corporate America, you have to be ready to walk away and effectively close the company. Otherwise the corporate officers know they can call your bluff and intimidate you with shyster lawyers and threats of sic'ing their gubment lawmen on you.

And yet many on this board want to vote for McCain! Think long and hard about that on November 4th. I'm not a big fan on Obama but I believe he is the lesser of 2 evils.

 

[aircowboy]

Anthony Freeman for ALPA President. Finally a leader who isn't afraid to hang it out

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The sad part is that United may prevail.

Corporations own the court system and Labor Dept in the United States.

With these SOBs in corporate America, you have to be ready to walk away and effectively close the company. Otherwise the corporate officers know they can call your bluff and intimidate you with shyster lawyers and threats of sic'ing their gubment lawmen on you.

And voting for McCain will only exacerbate the problem: he will continue as Bush did to place pro Corp/company judges and nmb appointees...

You get the gov't you vote for....

I'm kinda pissed because there was a job action going on at my airline and I have to find out about it from management today? Geeezzzz.......

Let the specops guys run their course.... when it comes time for critical mass then all charge Wacker...

 

[Draginass]

Didn't Anderson scare Delta ALPA back into the basement when they did something similar?

 

[CopilotDoug]

Using the "helpless" Passenger to drive Management's agenda...pathetic! Go on over to that "airliners" website and have a look at what those morons are posting. To paraphrase: These rogue pilots need action taken against them...My flight canceled...These pilots aren't sick, they're lying!
Sorry...I loathe ignorant passengers who know all about the job of pilots. GET A FOKKING CLUE!

Who can/would question a pilot's decision that they are not fit for flight?

By the way, what is this FODM program about the FO's overstepping Captain's Authority?

 

[bpapaDC8]

Management numbnuts. Most of us are being furloughed for the second time and they expect the employees to just be good little boys and girls, take the abuse, and the kick in the azz out the door. Laughable

 

[bluefin]

I don't recall any post calling for job action! I know of guys that had job interviews that couldn't get the time off otherwise! The company is furloughing pilots, those pilots are trying to get new jobs, isn't there a law that can keep a employer from preventing your progression to a new job?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Management numbnuts. Most of us are being furloughed for the second time and they expect the employees to just be good little boys and girls, take the abuse, and the kick in the azz out the door. Laughable

Good point.. the RLA, judges, nmb appointees, and current Admin have the deck stacked against pilots... and with that stacked deck in their favor managment sues the pilots... that is like kicking a man down then beating his wife.... all while saying its her fault...

 

[BOOZENEWS]

Patiently waiting for ALPA to countersue and bring the war to management.

Don't play not to lose. Play to win.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Patiently waiting for ALPA to countersue and bring the war to management.

Don't play not to lose. Play to win.

In this political environment? I'll be happy to play to not lose... sorry just being realistic....

Too many Bush and McCain lovers out there...

 

[Yuppyguppy]

******************** ual management tyrants...they are gonna get their due!

 

[CA Calypso]

"United said it canceled 329 flights between July 19 and July 27, costing it about $8 million in lost revenue and $3.9 million in operating profit."

I can certainly believe the revenue side of this - $24,316 per flight. It is completely unbelievable to believe these same flights averaged a profit of $11,854 per flight. That infers a 48.74% profit margin!!! By their own admission the majority of these flights were narrow body flights - not the more lucrative international flights. If these numbers were true United should be declaring a billion dollar profit per quarter.

I'm sure that every passenger did not get a full refund either and were accomodated on other flights.

This information propagated by management is disingenuous at best and downright fraud at worst. I hope ALPA puts forth a very public defense outlining the misinformation. Good luck to the United boys.

 

[Flyer1015]

And no one is even furloughed yet....

Tomorrow is Aug 1. September is a short 31 days after that.

Furloughs are happening, they're coming. So don't pick up open time. Grow a spine.

 

[On Your Six]

And yet many on this board want to vote for McCain! Think long and hard about that on November 4th. I'm not a big fan on Obama but I believe he is the lesser of 2 evils.

So you want higher gas prices and higher taxes with Obama? How will that impact the airline industry and your jobs? I'm glad I got out years ago...

Alright, back to the topic at hand... UAL's management BLOWS!

 

[PCL_128]

So you want higher gas prices and higher taxes with Obama? How will that impact the airline industry and your jobs? I'm glad I got out years ago...

Alright, back to the topic at hand... UAL's management BLOWS!

Obama would cut taxes for 95% of Americans, including you.

 

[saabservant]

Obama recently met with the head of the AFL-CIO.
Perhaps he will be more labor friendly, or less hostile to labor than bush and his cronies.

Might also appoint a friendlier NMB, which determines
release from negotiations and self-help. Which equals leverage.....

A vote for McCain is a vote for your job to be handed over to the Branson's and Ryannair's of the world, and for foreign control of airlines, and of hiring of foreign nationals at U.S. carriers.

McCain is very hostile to airline pilots, period.


Besides, if you are worried about defense policy and national security, look at the resumes of the current occupants (Bush sr. in background, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Powell, etc.) Yet, they fu**** it up in Iraq and Afghanastan, and ruined our reputation around the world.

I'll try Obaba's optimism and vision over Bush's Hubris.

 

[SoCentralRain]

Okay, back on topic...

UA management is an oxymoron.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Anyone care to explain the FODM program?

 

[flyguppy]

Anyone care to explain the FODM program?

Flight Ops Duty Manager.

Basically, the 24/7 point of contact when your domicile chief pilot is not in the office.

Last pilot type you get to talk to when the ^&*) hits the fan.

 

[johnsonrod]

Obama would cut taxes for 95% of Americans, including you.

You all forget that capital gains taxes will be raised and that will impact you and anyone else who sells stocks, property, etc. Don't think you are immune because you ain't...

Everyone forgets the state taxes that will added on top of the increased federal taxes. Can imagine those tax bills? I read that independent business people in the high-tax states of New York and California who employee people with families could end up paying 60% of their revenues in taxes (federal + state taxes including health care benefit taxes). I am not a tax expert, but that's not going to encourage people to start businesses in those states - you will see job losses instead. Businesses will leave those states for less-costly states. I also read that AAA just announced 1,000 jobs moving from California to Arizona and Oklahoma. High taxes don't support businesses and their jobs. That's the point. Lower taxes increases discretionary spending and people buy more vacations, more cars, etc. that support our pilot lifestyles. High taxes = job threat. Even Bill Clinton reduced capital gains taxes from 28% to roughly 20% and yet Obama wants to raise them again.

Yeah, I am not a fan of McCain and his anti-labor stance, but at least he won't throw fuel on the fire by increasing taxes in a recession like Obama will - that's INSANE! Say NO to Obama if you want job growth vs. job losses.

Oh yeah, UAL's management should be canned for terrible leadership and complete incompetence. Tilton probably wishes he was back in the profit-rich oil business (he formerly worked for Chevron I believe) where he could count on bigger bonuses.

 

[9rj9]

If McCain gets elected you will be outsourced and will get to pay income tax on your unemployment. Freaking kills me when you guys want to save a nickel in taxes but farm out your job and say goodbye to any new contracts. Wake up and google McCain-Lott baseball style arbitration, scary stuff, a republican judge gets to decide if you get a pay raise. no strikes allowed, its binding !!! They just missed passing it a few years ago, he will try again as president.

 

[GuppyWN]

Google "democrat". THAT scares the hell out of me.

Gup

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If McCain gets elected you will be outsourced and will get to pay income tax on your unemployment. Freaking kills me when you guys want to save a nickel in taxes but farm out your job and say goodbye to any new contracts. Wake up and google McCain-Lott baseball style arbitration, scary stuff, a republican judge gets to decide if you get a pay raise. no strikes allowed, its binding !!! They just missed passing it a few years ago, he will try again as president.

All the gushing and blushing McBush lovers love to point to increased taxes by the Dems... yelling and pointing like they've just uncovered the smoking gun or Holy Grail... catching some one in a lie...

well its not going to matter when we keep taking pay cuts....

You like the last seven years.... what four more...??

 

[SoCentralRain]

If McCain gets elected you will be outsourced and will get to pay income tax on your unemployment.

It doesn't matter who gets elected--you pay income tax on your unemployment today.

Speaking from personal experience.

Anyway, back to the galling tactics used by UAL to divide and conquer... Ladies and gentlemen, a new low in labor relations has just been reached. Fcukers.

SCR

 

[CopilotDoug]

Flight Ops Duty Manager.

Basically, the 24/7 point of contact when your domicile chief pilot is not in the office.

Last pilot type you get to talk to when the ^&*) hits the fan.

Thanks Flyguppy.

So is it true what they say at the watercooler, that Captains acting as FODM's will be replaced with FO's?

 

[CopilotDoug]

All the gushing and blushing McBush lovers love to point to increased taxes by the Dems... yelling and pointing like they've just uncovered the smoking gun or Holy Grail... catching some one in a lie...

Doesn't this belong in the Non-Aviation Chat forum?

 

[D-Bo]

Thanks Flyguppy.

So is it true what they say at the watercooler, that Captains acting as FODM's will be replaced with FO's?

That BS is actually in the works. What's going on around this place is absolutely terrible. I wouldn't wish these conditions on any airline employee. It is as bad as it sounds. And now these A holes have to resort to attacking individuals for their inability to manage the airline correctly. They are using individuals as scapegoats for something that never happened and something that was never said. Nothing around here is ever their fault when it's actually ALL of their fault.

I could go on for hours but I'll stop now. Maybe I'll continue later. This place has gotten so ridiculous that I can't think straight.

 

[BOOZENEWS]

In this political environment? I'll be happy to play to not lose... sorry just being realistic....

Too many Bush and McCain lovers out there...

Rez,

What is ALPA's plan if Obama is elected along with a Dem controlled House & Senate in terms of passing legislation that would drastically modify or even eliminate the RLA?

They DO have a plan, right?? This 2 yr window is crucial to have a chance to pass legislation.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Rez,

What is ALPA's plan if Obama is elected along with a Dem controlled House & Senate in terms of passing legislation that would drastically modify or even eliminate the RLA?

They DO have a plan, right?? This 2 yr window is crucial to have a chance to pass legislation.

It'll be interesting to see what their excuse is when the Dems throw the RLA back in their face...