Freedom Pilots Loading Bags

[darling pretty]

I non-reved on Freedom Flt 6211 (JFK-CVG) a few days ago and during boarding BOTH the CPT & FO left the flight deck and started loading bags.

Is this now a required flight crew duty over at Freedom?

 

[TristarJS30]

Doing anything they can to improve numbers I guess...

 

[McNugget]

A fine example of pilots who care enough to take personal responsibility, by doing whatever they can to ensure the flight departs on-time. I applaud these outstanding aviators!

 

[pdub20s]

I non-reved on Freedom Flt 6211 (JFK-CVG) a few days ago and during boarding BOTH the CPT & FO left the flight deck and started loading bags.

Is this now a required flight crew duty over at Freedom?

No you didnt...

 

[McNugget]

No you didnt...

Why not? Even the slaves will pull harder on their oars, if they fear the ship is sinking.

 

[pdub20s]

Why not? Even the slaves will pull harder on their oars, if they fear the ship is sinking.

Believe it or not.. The F8 Pilots really can careless about what happiness with this whole Delta mess. Its not our problem, its the Companies. We are still short 400+ pilots with the flying on the MESA side. So if we lose Delta flying, well just migrate on over to the MESA CRJ. As as far as the ERJ leases go, the 14Million has been paid(We are out of the woods in that aspect). We still have the 100 million dollars worth of bonds come due next year.

 

[McNugget]

I still think it shows great responsibility on the part of the pilots. I am sure the passengers appreciated the extra effort.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Definately above and beyond and worth commending

 

[Long Time Gone]

The F8 Pilots really can careless.....

Do you mean they are careless or they can care less???

 

[TheInsider]

A fine example of pilots who care enough to take personal responsibility, by doing whatever they can to ensure the flight departs on-time. I applaud these outstanding aviators!

Great initiative! I wish there were more like this who cares.

 

[Flyer1015]

Folks,

KEEP THIS IN MIND

While loading bags may seem to be very commendable, going the extra mile, taking care of your customers, there is a HUGE drawback.

Injury.

Say, a back injury from lifting a heavy bag. This type of injury occured while you were doing something that was not considered as a duty for your assigned position (FO or CA). Something that was not your job, and you get injured while doing it. You are covered if something happens while doing part of your duty on the job, not while doing something extra that wasn't your job.

Good luck getting out of that can of worms!

 

[SPDBRD747400]

Wow all these posts and no,

Mesa sucks!!!

 

[hockeypilot44]

This used to be a respectable career. Throwing bags is degrading to our profession just like cleaning the cabin is. I put pushing wheelchairs on the same level. If we want to get paid like professionals, we need to start acting like professionals. We wear suits to work. Our uniform is not appropriate to be throwing bags on the ramp. On top of that, there is the liability issue that was just brought up. These pilots work for Mesa though so I take it they do not care about degrading our profession (or sh!tty job that it's turned into).

 

[pdub20s]

care less???

yes that one

 

[Poahi]

BOTH the CPT & FO left the flight deck and started loading bags.

What's even stranger is that there are rumblings in Hawaii that Aloha (now Pacific Air Cargo) will be handling the ground servicing for go! in at least some of the outstations.

http://pacificaircargo.com/employment.htm

 

[Medeco]

Believe it or not.. The F8 Pilots really can careless about what happiness with this whole Delta mess. Its not our problem, its the Companies. We are still short 400+ pilots with the flying on the MESA side. So if we lose Delta flying, well just migrate on over to the MESA CRJ. As as far as the ERJ leases go, the 14Million has been paid(We are out of the woods in that aspect). We still have the 100 million dollars worth of bonds come due next year.

A little tipsy are we? hmmmm?


Medeco

 

[T-prop]

They weren't doing it for the pax. They were doing it so they aren't delayed and dropped from subsequent flying, thus costing the crew money... MAG has no pay protection.

 

[DoinTime]

They weren't doing it for the pax. They were doing it so they aren't delayed and dropped from subsequent flying, thus costing the crew money... MAG has no pay protection.

I'd bet they were doing it to ensure they made their personal commutes.

 

[Axel]

I non-reved on Freedom Flt 6211 (JFK-CVG) a few days ago and during boarding BOTH the CPT & FO left the flight deck and started loading bags...

So fuc/ing what. Good Lord.

 

[Speedtape]

ALL ABOARD! GREYHOUND BUS DRIVERS DON'T EVEN LOAD BAGS ON THE BUS!

I am sure this is what their CEO would like for all of them to do so he can funnel more money in his pockets. Wonder if they wash his car and shine his shoes too!

 

[johndt]

You also have to wonder if those rampers really want pilots "helping out." Management might actually staff that base with enough workers to get planes out on time if the planes were all going out late.

If the odd pilot goes back there and starts throwing bags, it masks what is an obvious problem. Call your times as they are, and do your job the best you can, but do -your- job.

Also: stop it. It's not your job. You're doing someone else's job. Someone else who doesn't have a job because you're doing it... for free.

 

[Rally]

Wisky pilots used to throw bags to stay on time till management sent a letter out IE injury lack of training in throwing bags.

 

[Bringupthebird]

This used to be a respectable career. Throwing bags is degrading to our profession just like cleaning the cabin is. I put pushing wheelchairs on the same level. If we want to get paid like professionals, we need to start acting like professionals. We wear suits to work. Our uniform is not appropriate to be throwing bags on the ramp. On top of that, there is the liability issue that was just brought up. These pilots work for Mesa though so I take it they do not care about degrading our profession (or sh!tty job that it's turned into).

It's not the same job it used to be and refusing to push a wheelchair or grab a bag isn't going to bring it back. It's permanently changed and those remaining either adapt or get out.

There is no other profession in the history of labor that has been able to recapture the scale of losses that the piloting profession has endured. You have seen the high water mark of airline pilot wages and they aren't coming back. You work in an industry that has no shame in bankruptcy and could care less whether workers or customers stay or go. The baggage of being a legacy airline makes scuttling the whole thing and starting afresh with all new-hires and a bunch of easy-credit Airbuses very enticing.

I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, but may not be willing to accept.

 

[Fltlvls]

I non-reved on Freedom Flt 6211 (JFK-CVG) a few days ago and during boarding BOTH the CPT & FO left the flight deck and started loading bags.

So did you get out on time?

 

[BoilerUP]

This used to be a respectable career. Throwing bags is degrading to our profession just like cleaning the cabin is. I put pushing wheelchairs on the same level. If we want to get paid like professionals, we need to start acting like professionals. We wear suits to work. Our uniform is not appropriate to be throwing bags on the ramp. On top of that, there is the liability issue that was just brought up. These pilots work for Mesa though so I take it they do not care about degrading our profession (or sh!tty job that it's turned into).

YGBSM!

You do realize you work in a service industry, don't you?

Doing it all the time is one thing...but helping the FA clean the cabin on a tight turn, or tossing a few bags to make your commute home, or helping get passengers their carry-on bags after they've been waiting 10 minutes for the rampers to show up doesn't "demean the profession" in any way.

Damn I hate the phrase "that's not my job"...:uzi:

 

[hockeypilot44]

YGBSM!

You do realize you work in a service industry, don't you?

Doing it all the time is one thing...but helping the FA clean the cabin on a tight turn, or tossing a few bags to make your commute home, or helping get passengers their carry-on bags after they've been waiting 10 minutes for the rampers to show up doesn't "demean the profession" in any way.

Damn I hate the phrase "that's not my job"...:uzi:

I don't know how your airline works, but my airline only pays me "block out" to "block in". If I push a wheelchair, help clean the cabin, or load bags, I am doing it on my own time. Not only that, I am at risk of getting injured or getting my uniform dirty that the company will not pay to have cleaned. If the company wants me working between flights, they can pay me between flights. That's not my job because I am getting paid $0.00/hour between flights.

 

[Smacktard]

The F8 Pilots really can careless about what happiness with this whole Delta mess.

So if they can careless, they can, which means they aren't at the limit of caring less for this whole Delta mess. Which makes no sense. Maybe you meant they couldn't care less...

 

[BoilerUP]

I don't know how your airline works, but my airline only pays me "block out" to "block in". If I push a wheelchair, help clean the cabin, or load bags, I am doing it on my own time. Not only that, I am at risk of getting injured or getting my uniform dirty that the company will not pay to have cleaned. If the company wants me working between flights, they can pay me between flights. That's not my job because I am getting paid $0.00/hour between flights.

I don't work for an airline anymore, but when I was at AWAC I got paid the same way, not counting trip and duty rigs which rarely were worth more than a nickel or two per day.

It never stopped me from throwing a few bags when we were late or rampers nowhere to be found, never stopped me from unloading bags in the same circumstance, never stopped me from pushing the occasional wheelchair and never stopped me from helping the FAs clean the cabin. Guess as a former ramper I wasn't too good or proud as a pilot to do those things to help myself and my passengers out. Most folks even looked me in the eye and said "Thank you" because they KNEW it "wasn't my job" to do those things yet I did them anyway.

As I indicated before, I don't think you fully realize you work in a service industry...

 

[hockeypilot44]

I don't work for an airline anymore, but when I was at AWAC I got paid the same way, not counting trip and duty rigs which rarely were worth more than a nickel or two per day.

It never stopped me from throwing a few bags when we were late or rampers nowhere to be found, never stopped me from unloading bags in the same circumstance, never stopped me from pushing the occasional wheelchair and never stopped me from helping the FAs clean the cabin. Guess as a former ramper I wasn't too good or proud as a pilot to do those things to help myself and my passengers out. Most folks even looked me in the eye and said "Thank you" because they KNEW it "wasn't my job" to do those things yet I did them anyway.

As I indicated before, I don't think you fully realize you work in a service industry...

Agree to disagree. That being said, I believe I work in the transportation industry. I do not get discounts at restaurants when they have their "service industry" nights therefore I don't believe I am in the service industry.

 

[jea]

WOW...... heaven forbid the uniform get dirty!!!! maybe you should work out a little it will reduce the risk of injury as well... peoples selfishness amazes me... liberal pansies.... i HATE pilots....

I don't know how your airline works, but my airline only pays me "block out" to "block in". If I push a wheelchair, help clean the cabin, or load bags, I am doing it on my own time. Not only that, I am at risk of getting injured or getting my uniform dirty that the company will not pay to have cleaned. If the company wants me working between flights, they can pay me between flights. That's not my job because I am getting paid $0.00/hour between flights.