ASA parking planes???

[ASACRJFlyer]

...and not just the three damaged in BTR...

I know I'm just spreading gossip from one board to another but on the APC ASA profile, it says we're parking 13 CRJ 200's in the fall. Anyone have any solid info on this? I'm not the chicken little type but this ain't good. I know you can't park that many airplanes without possible downgrades and f......s, so this could hurt a bit. APC usually doesn't allow baseless gossip into the profile section so I was just curious if anyone had any solid sources for this.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

So what if they do? Will anyone be surprised? I won't. And who will be affected? Some 700 hr wonders who think the world revolves around them?

 

[N1VIBS]

...and not just the three damaged in BTR...

I know I'm just spreading gossip from one board to another but on the APC ASA profile, it says we're parking 13 CRJ 200's in the fall. Anyone have any solid info on this? I'm not the chicken little type but this ain't good. I know you can't park that many airplanes without possible downgrades and f......s, so this could hurt a bit. APC usually doesn't allow baseless gossip into the profile section so I was just curious if anyone had any solid sources for this.

Hate to show my ignorance, but who or what is APC?

 

[regionalcap]

Hate to show my ignorance, but who or what is APC?

www.airlinepilotcentral.com

 

[N1VIBS]

www.airlinepilotcentral.com

Thanks!

 

[Smacktard]

...and not just the three damaged in BTR...

I know I'm just spreading gossip from one board to another but on the APC ASA profile, it says we're parking 13 CRJ 200's in the fall. Anyone have any solid info on this? I'm not the chicken little type but this ain't good. I know you can't park that many airplanes without possible downgrades and f......s, so this could hurt a bit. APC usually doesn't allow baseless gossip into the profile section so I was just curious if anyone had any solid sources for this.

Delta makes no announcement, ASA says nothing, SkyWest says nothing, but it's on APC so it's gotta be the truth! Give me a friggen break...

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

So what if they do? Will anyone be surprised? I won't. And who will be affected? Some 700 hr wonders who think the world revolves around them?

Nope, try some upgrades who have a ton more than 700 hours and have suffered through Skip and LaCrap who now may have to go back to the right seat. But hey, if it doesn't affect you, who cares, right??? Pretty much summarizes what's wrong with this industry...

 

[79%N1]

EVERYBODY is going to be parking airplanes in the fall. Delta says 70 more 50 seaters will be gone in the fall. It is not a stretch to believe ASA will park 13 or more. Since ASA is the only DCI, or NWA regional for that matter, that does not have a 76 seat airframe, ASA looks to lose out here. Comair is losing planes, Skywest will probably drop some in SLC and who knows if Midwest tanks. Eagle, PSA, Mesa, Freedom, CHQ, Express Jet, Air Wisc..........Everybody is going to lose out here.

 

[Crash Pad]

If we only lose the 12 ATR's and 13 RJ's we will have done pretty well.

Anyone see that documentary on China? I'll sum it up. We Are F86ed! Oil isn't coming back. Sure it might pull back to 100 and stay there for a few months. At the end of the day our way of life is unsustainable. We might survive this round but looking out 10-20 years... A lot less pilots will be required.

 

[sweptback]

Negating the ATRs, the parking of the 200s will put us back to where we were pre-summer flying. I didn't see anybody furloughed then, so I imagine we'll make it through alright.

I still believe something new is coming to replace the ATRs because we have a contract with Delta that specifies a minimum number of block hours per month. It was said before that in the Feb/Mar time frame we were close to the bottom limits of the contract, and that was with the ATRs. So, do the math...

 

[79%N1]

But the real problem is that in the USA, we are at the very least starting to change the way we operate. Large trucks and SUV sales are plunging. More hybrids going into production. People changing driving habits, looking into alternative fuels, etc....

This IS NOT happening in India and China! Also, many governments are subsidizing oil keeping it cheaper for those countries to develop, build roads, expand, etc. If they don't change and adapt to the soaring demand, yes.....we will never get out of this.

I agree with crash pad, though. I see 20-30 aircraft as only a start. When the price of a ticket gets to where it will need to be at $150-175/barrel or higher, Ma and Pa middle america will not be able to afford a ticket. Capacity will be dropped to meet this reduced demand. Flying the 50's out of the mid and small markets will be dropped drastically.

 

[jeroom]

So what if they do? Will anyone be surprised? I won't. And who will be affected? Some 700 hr wonders who think the world revolves around them?

Take a deep breath....ok, now go see your doctor so you can get a refill of those pills he prescribed you!
Maybe, you should try yoga as well...

Do you feel that the world hates you in you little airplane, huh?

 

[Medeco]

So what if they do? Will anyone be surprised? I won't. And who will be affected? Some 700 hr wonders who think the world revolves around them?

While I would agree the Y generation thinks things should come to them immediately, your being a bit of D!ck dont yah think?

Medeco

 

[jetracer5]

Were not "parking" airplanes. Just the usual winter block hour drop. We will just have a few more spare aircraft than we do with our summer flying.

 

[Medeco]

Were not "parking" airplanes. Just the usual winter block hour drop. We will just have a few more spare aircraft than we do with our summer flying.

I can promise you it will not be the usual, it will more than we have ever seen.

Medeco

 

[79%N1]

Waaaaay more. People, wake up! If you are a junior Captain, prepare to be an FO again. If you are holding a decent paying line, look at making much less block or being on reserve again. It is not going to be status quo in this industry! And, the regionals will not grow again at the expense of mainline carriers. We will be cut back as much or more.

 

[Smacktard]

Waaaaay more. People, wake up! If you are a junior Captain, prepare to be an FO again. If you are holding a decent paying line, look at making much less block or being on reserve again. It is not going to be status quo in this industry! And, the regionals will not grow again at the expense of mainline carriers. We will be cut back as much or more.

ASA is just under 5 crews per aircraft (using the August assignments). If it is a straight downgrade of 5 captains per aircraft, it wouldn't take too many (roughly 25) to make the late fall '07 upgrades going back to the right seat.

 

[Flybywire44]

Waaaaay more. People, wake up! If you are a junior Captain, prepare to be an FO again. If you are holding a decent paying line, look at making much less block or being on reserve again. It is not going to be status quo in this industry! And, the regionals will not grow again at the expense of mainline carriers. We will be cut back as much or more.

I agree with you N1... The 200s have got to go, but to what extent will our contact preserve our operation? We have minimum block hour clauses and guaranteed 80% of regional flying out of Atlanta. Thats good for something right?

 

[outtahere]

If the airlines think oil speculation is bad, they ought to come and check out this thread. Way outta hand in this one.

 

[outtahere]

Why do the 200's have to go? Some of them yes, but not all. You can not run a VLD or MGM flight on all 700's and hope to make a profit. The airlines need the ability to restrict seats in a market and yet still serve it. As companies like Airtran start to pull capacity out then the fares start to go up. Remember after 9-11 when the mainlines were flying around with 30 pax on a 737? The same thing would happen today if they were to pull all of the 200's and replace them with mainline. Now answer this, which is more cost effective, a 737 with 50, or an Rj with 30? My bet is on the Rj. Quit with all of the freaking out. ASA will be fine. We control the worlds largest hub with 60% of all operations in ATL. We aren't going anywhere. (hopefully?)