B747 down in South America?

[JFReservist]

Some of you folks are unbelievable...

If you haven't been a part of a squadron/flight department that has had a string of $hitty times, STFU. I'm willing to bet that most that throw blame and suggest heads are hung haven't been through something like this. There are times when you just say sorry fellers, hope everything gets better. Causes will be figured out later, and yes we are all professionals that are held to a level few will ever understand - but none of that crap matters when you know it could be one of your best friends out there.

Godspeed on the recovery fellers, and fly safe. My family's thoughts and prayers are with everyone involved.

 

[jdlilfan]

Imagine flying a ten hour flight after being on duty for sixteen hours, landing, then having to fix the plane while the rest of the crew rests. Even though most PFE's are A&P's, how many have the required mx training to maintain a B747. A lot of long haul freighters carry mx.

Atlas did the same at the airport I work at. Atlas Mx assisted us with fueling (and servicing-we usually only get Lears or King Airs) as well as unloading humvees. Sorry to kinda hijack the thread.

My prayers to a speedy recovery! Crazy weekend for freight dawgs!

 

[Airbus300]

Local accident video clip.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/07/07/colombia.crash.ap/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

 

[waka]

With the 2 Kalitta crashes and USA Jet, be ready for the media to put out a special report; "Cargo Airplanes, Terror from Above?" or "Up next. Should cargo aiircraft even be allowed to fly above populated areas? Our aviation expert says no"

I would not be surprised........really.

 

[Justthefacts]

Some of you folks are unbelievable...

If you haven't been a part of a squadron/flight department that has had a string of $hitty times, STFU. I'm willing to bet that most that throw blame and suggest heads are hung haven't been through something like this. There are times when you just say sorry fellers, hope everything gets better. Causes will be figured out later, and yes we are all professionals that are held to a level few will ever understand - but none of that crap matters when you know it could be one of your best friends out there.

Godspeed on the recovery fellers, and fly safe. My family's thoughts and prayers are with everyone involved.

Well Said.....

I would not wish any of this weekends events on anyone,,,,, even the dip $hits making these horrible accusations,,,,

God bless the families and all people involved,,,,

 

[Boz]

unbelievable the lack of respect a handful of posters have for an airlines unfortunate circumstance. Its a disgrace to see such disprespect posted when a tragedy strikes. I just wonder what the hell is going through there minds to be so crude and have unpolished statements.

The cause of the event will come out in an investigation as has every other airline incedent/accident. For now, I wish the crew a speedy recovery and hope your home ward bound soon.

 

[Golden Falcon]

A loaded up whale in a turn aint no ball of fire on 3 (if that was the case) wouldnt take much of a downdraft or weather situation to put them into a jam

 

[pilotpm]

Hang in there....

Hey gang sorry to here about these horrible events. I have several friends that went to Kalitta recently after the shut down of ATA. I hope that the Co. is strong enough to overcome these events and that you all can move forward with your lives without anymore misfortune. Good luck and stay strong!

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

With the 2 Kalitta crashes and USA Jet, be ready for the media to put out a special report; "Cargo Airplanes, Terror from Above?" or "Up next. Should cargo aiircraft even be allowed to fly above populated areas? Our aviation expert says no"

I would not be surprised........really.

Oh, you can count on that. Once we have a slow news week some editor will decide to hit the public with a nice "random death from above" segement to boost viewership/circulation.

I agree wholeheartedly that the "pilots" flinging negativity need to STFU. You aren't helping anyone and you are disrespecting your brother/sister pilots. It is like going to a funeral for a car crash victim to tell the mother of the deceased what a crummy driver her was. Bad F'ing taste and it doesn't change a thing.

The accident report will be out soon enough. Then we can all learn something. For now, lets act like the community of professionals we are supposed to be and support those affected by this weeks tragic events.

... Just one worn out turboprop drivers viewpoint anyway. Pay me no mind.

 

[sf3boy]

And how many operations per day and total aircraft were there vs. mishap aircraft at US Air, AA, and FEDEX.

What's that ratio in this instance?

What's the rate of engine shutdowns at the major airlines vs. these 747 outfits?

What is the ratio of Kallita's planes having some mechanical trouble has the root cause vs. Fedex? Oh wait, FedEx guys crash 'em with nothing wrong.

"let's land in TLH today about a mile from the runway in the mud, what do you say boys?"

"look, its kinda windy and no other DC-10's have crashed this morning, but you're about to be let go and I am retiring. So its up to you to run this sucker off the pavement and burn it up. Just remember to get your bags."

 

[spitfire1500]

Two whales in the dirt, several injuries and now loss of precious life. Doesn't take employment at Kalitta to come to the realization that things aren't completely safe!!!!

Dude Shut the Hell UP!!! I forgot NW has never had anything happen (flaps). Take your holier than thou attitude and shove it!!

 

[Buckeye]

Warning

IF PEOPLE CONTINUE TO SLING MUD OR GIVE THEIR STUPID OPINION ON WHAT HAPPENEND, YOU WILL GET TIME OFF. THEY MUST HAVE DONE SOMETHING RIGHT BECAUSE EVERYONE SURVIVED. PLANES CAN BE REPLACED, PEOPLE CAN'T.

 

[uba757]

Amen to that Buckeye! Some people should just keep their opinions to them selves. RIP, the captain of the DC9 in Mexico and speedy recovery to all the guys in Colombia and the F/O in Mexico. uba757

 

[CopilotDoug]

hopefully they don't get into the same jam the excelaire crew found themselves in.

 

[av8trinabarrel]

Not to hijack the thread.. curious what a 200 fully loaded with flowers grosses at compared to a regular load of cargo? I use to see a lot of you guys at the hotel in JFK. Good group of guys..Best of luck!

 

[propsarebest]

Flowers weigh next to nothing.

I'd be willing to bet that Kalitta's -200SF weigh the same as ours, 800K MTOW.

Pound for pound i'd bet that there was more fuel than payload onboard.

Good luck to all the Kalitta guys out there. There are several ex zoners there...

 

[capt_zman]

What is the ratio of Kallita's planes having some mechanical trouble has the root cause vs. Fedex? Oh wait, FedEx guys crash 'em with nothing wrong.

"let's land in TLH today about a mile from the runway in the mud, what do you say boys?"

"look, its kinda windy and no other DC-10's have crashed this morning, but you're about to be let go and I am retiring. So its up to you to run this sucker off the pavement and burn it up. Just remember to get your bags."

What's the matter, didn't get hired by FDX? Go back to your Saab sh!thead.

As for the Kalitta team, best wishes. It's been a terrible month.

 

[belchfire]

?

How many aircrafts Fedex has? How huge of an operation they run? If they would crash an airplane per year it will still be way bellow 1%, but Kalitta's 2 crashes out of 20 airplanes is 10% of fleet(although they have less airplanes). Statistic Fedex( I'm not sure but they must have few hundred airplanes) should have higher risk for crashes than an operation of 20 airplanes.

Yeah, Fedex has lots of big, new shiney airplanes that sit more in a day than they fly...

Excuses, excuses, excuses!

Countbat, if you were half-way civilized you would keep your fracking fingers off the keyboard and your dipstick opinions to yourself until someone had completed the investigation...

 

[capt_zman]

Also, how did FDX get pulled into this?

We have over 400 airplanes and 1000 flights per day. Apples and oranges here.

 

[Junkflyer]

714 was a Q-powered airplane with a max take off weight of 833,000#. Its sister ship 715 is the same.