AirTran Fruloughs

[Lear70]

Hadn't heard about the seniority number rumor. I don't see that happening.

I think he was kidding about that part... note smiley face at the end.

The absolutely STONES on AirTran management never ceases to amaze me:

"We're going to put all your probationary pilots on the street and ask you to give us concessions at the same time.

No, giving us concessions won't change the number of people we give the boot.

Oh yeah, if you give us relief on the training department instructors, we'll let you have your job back,,, in 2-3 years after we start growing again. If you're still in the aviation industry.

No, we're only going to cut PART of senior management pay. We learned our lesson last time, bonuses aren't included in the pay reductions for senior management.

But you still have to cut your entire paycheck.

And, oh yeah, we're reducing the Line Value Index (average) to 71 hours, from the 85+ you're flying now.

Total pay cut we're seeking: 28-33%."

Sheer lunacy. I'm wondering if they're DELIBERATELY trying to get a HUGE vote of "No" to take to Tossi and ask for release into self-help being "so far off on an agreement" or, worse, to a bankruptcy judge.

I take back what I said last week. With the way management approached this and the insult after insult after injury, I say the pay cut proposal dies by at least 80-85%.

Insanity personified.

 

[superfly]

Furloughs blow

The first ones out will get the better jobs though. Always be nice to your FO, because he/she will be your captain at the next job.

I'm former Midway (#2)

 

[WRENCH]

Sorry guys and gals. My best wishes to all of you.

 

[MINIME]

I think he was kidding about that part... note smiley face at the end.

The absolutely STONES on AirTran management never ceases to amaze me:

"We're going to put all your probationary pilots on the street and ask you to give us concessions at the same time.

No, giving us concessions won't change the number of people we give the boot.

Oh yeah, if you give us relief on the training department instructors, we'll let you have your job back,,, in 2-3 years after we start growing again. If you're still in the aviation industry.

No, we're only going to cut PART of senior management pay. We learned our lesson last time, bonuses aren't included in the pay reductions for senior management.

But you still have to cut your entire paycheck.

And, oh yeah, we're reducing the Line Value Index (average) to 71 hours, from the 85+ you're flying now.

Total pay cut we're seeking: 28-33%."

Sheer lunacy. I'm wondering if they're DELIBERATELY trying to get a HUGE vote of "No" to take to Tossi and ask for release into self-help being "so far off on an agreement" or, worse, to a bankruptcy judge.

I take back what I said last week. With the way management approached this and the insult after insult after injury, I say the pay cut proposal dies by at least 80-85%.

Insanity personified.

Lear,

After all these things, is your union considering sending these paycut proposals to the pilots? They should not even spend the money. It should die at the MEC level. They should invest that money in preparing the Strike Preparedness Committee instead. It's fairly obvious that the company has no respect whatsoever for the Union nor its pilots. They are out to intimidate you into submission.

On a different note, Bankruptcy is still a tough game to get out of. AirTran will have a hard time getting out of it, I believe. Of course management wants you to believe otherwise. The threat of BK can be a bargaining tool for airline management. If they're smart they don't want to go into it anymore than the pilots do.

 

[BSkin]

Yes Lear, I was kidding, as I was on the other thread about Hydrogen jet engines (not that it can't happen many, many years down the road). Was it the smiley face, or the next paragraph that started with "seriously" that convinced you

Sorry for all that will be on the street. We must stand strong. Not so sure the union is helping on that part. Hopefully word of mouth gets around and we get close to 100% NO!

Let's hope (?) the $4 drop in oil today continues.

 

[carl p]

The first ones out will get the better jobs though. Always be nice to your FO, because he/she will be your captain at the next job.

I'm former Midway (#2)

Aint it the truth!

 

[j41driver]

In other words, where is the official document?

Check flica.

 

[BSkin]

Check flica.

did, thanks

 

[j41driver]

From the reduction notice:

It is anticipated that approximately 180 Pilots and 300 Flight Attendant positions will be eliminated in early September in conjunction with these fleet and flight hour reductions.​

It says the positions are being eliminated. No mentions of furloughs anywhere. You tell me what mgmt is thinking here.....

 

[Patriot328]

From the reduction notice:

It is anticipated that approximately 180 Pilots and 300 Flight Attendant positions will be eliminated in early September in conjunction with these fleet and flight hour reductions.​

It says the positions are being eliminated. No mentions of furloughs anywhere. You tell me what mgmt is thinking here.....

How many are on probation? Are they talking just firing everyone?

 

[PCL_128]

How many are on probation? Are they talking just firing everyone?

About 200, so a handful of the senior probies are safe. In the end, the company won't get away with actually terminating probies. Unfortunately, it might take years of legal wrangling to get them their jobs back. :angryfire

 

[Colonel Savage]

It says the positions are being eliminated. No mentions of furloughs anywhere. You tell me what mgmt is thinking here.....

That's standard for a layoff announcement. The positions are being eliminated, and they can be reinstated when the time for recalls comes around.

 

[ugasucks]

How far back of a new hire date will it go?

 

[greenbayfan]

Another stellar airline in the history of US airlines....

 

[Palmtree Pilot]

My question is, "Ahh ...why does this post get 5 stars?"