DAL, Why Vote No???

[DTW320]

Hey 320,

Use those fifth grade Minnesota reading skills and reread my posts and find out where I said I DESERVE MORE than you do....You have RECIEVED more though, but we'll overlook it for the good of the group ok?? THE GROUP deserves MORE!!! Not the one-sided deal you guys got....

Maybe with SLI, it will even out the pain.....

It's all laughable....
Q. How do you judge the success of a merger?
A. If EVERYBODY is pissed, then it was a good merger.

---No, No, No....My name is DUMAS---
Yes,Yes,Yes.......apparently yours is---

Let's see Billy, you slam me for 5th grade reading and then proceed to misspell "received"......EVEN WITH THE FI SPELLCHECKER ENGAGED!!! Guess those Georgia public schools aren't so hot either!!!(I can stereotype too). You are too funny! BTW, I've never lived in MN or gone to school there (MI or TN either). You'd be surprised where I live.

OK, now that that's been settled.....I agree that it would be great if the GROUP had received more, but I think what was secured is pretty reasonable, even from a DALPA standpoint, given the current environment we are in. More importantly, I don't believe that voting this down will result in more $ for anyone and could result in a lot less. Just my opinion.

It still seems to me that you are a little steamed that NWA is getting a bigger % raise than you even though the fact of the matter is that if you think parity is a requirement the math says NWA MUST get a bigger % raise than you.

 

[Noserider76]

Let's see Billy, you slam me for 5th grade reading and then proceed to misspell "received"......EVEN WITH THE FI SPELLCHECKER ENGAGED!!! You are too funny. BTW, I've never lived in MN or gone to school there. You'd be surprised where I live.

OK, now that that's been settled.....I agree that it would be great if the GROUP had received more, but I think what was secured is pretty reasonable, even from a DALPA standpoint, given the current environment we are in. It still seems to me that you are a little steamed that NWA is getting a bigger % raise than you even though the fact of the matter is that if you think parity is a requirement the math says NWA MUST get a bigger % raise than you.

We think you live in FL and have your sights set on Atlanta. That's why we need big, tall, slippery fences .

 

[DTW320]

We think you live in FL and have your sights set on Atlanta. That's why we need big, tall, slippery fences .

Nope, don't live in FL. Nice place to visit though. RA seems to be pretty adamant against fences though.

 

[Noserider76]

Nope, don't live in FL. Nice place to visit though. RA seems to be pretty adamant against fences though.

He may be adamant against them but if he wants the deal done badly enough he'll work to ensure stability for the employees. Do you really want to give the company the flexibilty to move equipment around haphazardly during the initial years of a merger? These are guys who can't keep a game plan going for more than year or so as it is. Look at LAX for us. They can't or won't provide a plan that allows us to compete in the second largest city in the country.

Do you want to give them the ability to move the 330s out of SEA faster than a speeding bullet? Or move equipment out of the heartland into mecca? How about the guys who live in base and would like to keep the flying they have now. This thing already has too many moving parts as it is. We need an agreement that will ensure a bit of stability for all of us in the transition. 3-5 years seems reasonable.

The company can still fly anything to anywhere. The worst case would be a little credit time. I'm not a member of the "sky is falling, we need to bend over and give the company whatever it wants crowd". If the sky is falling it's going to fall no matter what we do.

 

[Superpilot92]

We think you live in FL and have your sights set on Atlanta. That's why we need big, tall, slippery fences .

I understand your worry but there are other factors to take into consideration. NWA planes moving to DAL bases thus making positions in the "dal bases" as well as the reciprocal with DAL planes moving to "NWA bases". That is after part of what makes the merger effective. I personally dont think you will see the negative effects you are worried about though. On top of that nobody can be displaced or bumped under the merger documentation, LOA's, and JPWA. The MECs truly have made it to where we can effectively become one big happy family and nobody should be negatively effected. All except for those that will be unhappy regardless of what happens. Some people would be pissed even if they were offered millions

 

[Noserider76]

I understand your worry but there are other factors to take into consideration. NWA planes moving to DAL bases thus making positions in the "dal bases" as well as the reciprocal with DAL planes moving to "NWA bases". On top of that nobody can be displaced or bumped under the merger documentation, LOA's, and JPWA. The MECs truly have made it to where we can effectively become one big happy family and nobody should be negatively effected. All except for those that will be unhappy regardless of what happens. Some people would be pissed even if they were offered millions

So my aircraft moves and I now have to commute if I want to stay on it, but I'm not negatively affected? There is no reason to give these guys free reign to do whatever they like when we have the leverage to control it a bit.

Believe me, they are not anywhere near that worthy of our trust. Once they get what they want and their money is in the bank, standby for incoming.

 

[Superpilot92]

So my aircraft moves and I now have to commute if I want to stay on it, but I'm not negatively affected? There is no reason to give these guys free reign to do whatever they like when we have the leverage to control it a bit.

Believe me, they are not anywhere near that worthy of our trust. Once they get what they want and their money is in the bank, standby for incoming.

Some aircraft might get moved around but the flying could also just be routed through different bases. We have protections against them from turning everything upside down. The MECs have looked at all of this. I am sure many questions will be answered at the roadshows. Be sure to ask those questions to your reps.

 

[cocknbull]

Superpilot92

If someone's post is moronic and not worthy of comment, then do just that. Keep your mouth shut. Cowards take cheap shots and run. You need to grow a pair.

Tool

 

[GogglesPisano]

At least this JCBA has flow-back arrangements for DAL guys.

Furloughs are coming with or without a merger. I'll vote for a plan E for furloughees.

 

[clippyrip]

Do you want to give them the ability to move the 330s out of SEA faster than a speeding bullet? Or move equipment out of the heartland into mecca? How about the guys who live in base and would like to keep the flying they have now. This thing already has too many moving parts as it is. We need an agreement that will ensure a bit of stability for all of us in the transition. 3-5 years seems reasonable.

If no fences and moving around aircraft is what it takes to make this a successful airline then it might be worth it. Keeping RAs hands tied with fences will not help realize the possibilities that this merger provides. My two cents...

 

[Superpilot92]

Superpilot92

Since my post is moronic and not worthy of comment, then I'll do just that, I will Keep my mouth shut. Cowards take cheap shots and run. I need to grow a pair.

Signed,
Tool
Couldnt agree more!!

Look champ my posts typically dont include flames and i try to encourage an actual debate of the topics, YOU DONT. Your posts are full of hate and negative flamebait. You apparently are rooting for YOUR team and I am rooting for OUR team so be it. Eventually you will see this is coming whether you like it or not. If you choose to be pissed off and hateful throughout your career by all means have at it. I on the other hand have way to much time left in this career and at this company to let this get me bent out of shape and show hate towards either side. Thats not the type of guy i am and its not the type of guy i will become. I will be upfront and admit i want whats best for Everyone, meaning both sides and you have clearly shown you dont, so good luck with all that. cya around the water cooler bud

 

[clippyrip]

Don't let em get you down SP. Soon enough we will all be in the sub commander uniform rooting for the same team.

 

[clippyrip]

I for one am planning on giving my hat the 50 mission look the day I get it. That thing will get no respect from me...it will be shoved into the flight bag, dropped on the floor at every hotel, dragged behind my truck when I get home, etc.

Maybe one day the company will give up on that campy, movie prop, cheesy afectation POS. Until then it gets the hose...

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Let's see Billy, you slam me for 5th grade reading and then proceed to misspell "received"......EVEN WITH THE FI SPELLCHECKER ENGAGED!!! Guess those Georgia public schools aren't so hot either!!!(I can stereotype too). You are too funny! BTW, I've never lived in MN or gone to school there (MI or TN either). You'd be surprised where I live.

OK, now that that's been settled.....I agree that it would be great if the GROUP had received more, but I think what was secured is pretty reasonable, even from a DALPA standpoint, given the current environment we are in. More importantly, I don't believe that voting this down will result in more $ for anyone and could result in a lot less. Just my opinion.

It still seems to me that you are a little steamed that NWA is getting a bigger % raise than you even though the fact of the matter is that if you think parity is a requirement the math says NWA MUST get a bigger % raise than you.

320,

No spell checker here Scripps Tool satchel.......

You still don't see my point.....you got a raise...I DID NOT!!!! WE WE WE WE (READ IT!!) WE should have bumped it up further....instead NWA gets a windfall and I see nothing but a loser SLI being pushed into expedited arbitration (exactly what Stevens wanted from day one).....

There should have been more money in there....I could give a flying F*ck how much you got to make parity....at the end of the day, a DAL guy gets NADA, ZIP, ZERO other than double pay green slips and the pleasure of working off of your 1000 sick leave bank and generating revenue for your pension......ooooooo sign me up, this sounds like such a great deal!!

 

[clippyrip]

Bill, you sound like a cool guy to fly with.

 

[nonstop]

320,

No spell checker here Scripps Tool satchel.......

You still don't see my point.....you got a raise...I DID NOT!!!! WE WE WE WE (READ IT!!) WE should have bumped it up further....instead NWA gets a windfall and I see nothing but a loser SLI being pushed into expedited arbitration (exactly what Stevens wanted from day one).....

There should have been more money in there....I could give a flying F*ck how much you got to make parity....at the end of the day, a DAL guy gets NADA, ZIP, ZERO other than double pay green slips and the pleasure of working off of your 1000 sick leave bank and generating revenue for your pension......ooooooo sign me up, this sounds like such a great deal!!

A windfall? NWA pilots are getting an average ~9% pay raise but a ~7% decrease in minimum guarantee for reserves and a ~13% decrease in min guarantee for line holders. Medical premiums are going to increase for us (approximately $200 per month increase for the same coverage). Defined contribution is being "harmonized." A less generous sick leave program. A less flexible trip trading system. We'll have to wear a hat. Losing 150% on anything over 80 hours. Sharing flow down slots if they're needed. Etc.

There's plenty of things for NWA pilots to be less than thrilled about. We don't live in a box though and world events, the economy, the health of the company and reality need to be weighed.

We already lost ~2% in DC and ~2% in pay since we couldn't play nice in February. You really believe we'll be able to do better if we can't play nice this time?

 

[DTW320]

320,

You still don't see my point.....you got a raise...I DID NOT!!!! WE WE WE WE (READ IT!!) WE should have bumped it up further Speaking of READING Bill, go back and READ what I said in my response....skip over the part about your spelling and READ what I said after: "now that that's been settled"....I agree with you that getting more would be GREAT! I then offered my opinion that getting more is probably not possible in the current environment.....instead NWA gets a windfall (I get a 6.5% raise on the 320) and I see nothing but a loser SLI being pushed into expedited arbitration (exactly what Stevens wanted from day one).....define loser SLI
for us Bill.....what do you see being pushed that is unfair?
There should have been more money in there Sure.....that would be nice....how much more would satisfy you Bill?After you down this your negotiators are going to need some specifics as to what to go in and demand from Richard....I could give a flying F*ck how much you got to make parity (I personally REFUSE to refer to any DAL pilots here as "flying F*ck's")....at the end of the day, a DAL guy gets NADA, ZIP, ZERO..Soooo, LOA19 was NADA, ZIP, ZERO......got it other than double pay green slips and the pleasure of working off of your 1000 sick leave bankhow does that work Bill, we get our 6 figure sick leave balances converted to reduced premiums in your cheesy insurance plan that lasts, what 12 months max?Yeah, quite the windfall for us and generating revenue for your pensionyeah, too bad you gave yours up(that lump sum option sounded great...until 2000 of your brothers took it and doomed the plan for those left).....blame Federal law for having to maintain our plan post merger and the associated unfairness of it all......ooooooo sign me up, this sounds like such a great deal!!

Like I've said to you before (and you've ignored) VOTE NO and tell Lee to go out in the current abundant negotiating environment and GET MORE. M'Kay?

 

[Speedbird34]

At least this JCBA has flow-back arrangements for DAL guys.

Furloughs are coming with or without a merger. I'll vote for a plan E for furloughees.

I hope we have the option of rejecting the flowback rubbish. I have better things to do with my time than flying for Compass. I would rather be Furloughed and getting payed a reasonable wage somewhere than flying for $24 an hour as a RJ FO.

I am not such a fan of any Airline to pay such a prize to keep my job.

Doing crap like that is what got the Airlines here in the first place. Guys ready to work for food stamps. With what end in mind I have no clue!!

 

[NuGuy]

I hope we have the option of rejecting the flowback rubbish. I have better things to do with my time than flying for Compass. I would rather be Furloughed and getting payed a reasonable wage somewhere than flying for $24 an hour as a RJ FO.

I am not such a fan of any Airline to pay such a prize to keep my job.

Doing crap like that is what got the Airlines here in the first place. Guys ready to work for food stamps. With what end in mind I have no clue!!

Heyas SB,

FWIW, you flow down as a Captain to the top of the list. If you so desire, you can bypass to furlough.

I love the guys to go straight to the "jump to conclusions mat" before reading ANY of the information that both NALPA and DALPA are pumping out.

Nu

 

[propdog]

I hope we have the option of rejecting the flowback rubbish. I have better things to do with my time than flying for Compass. I would rather be Furloughed and getting payed a reasonable wage somewhere than flying for $24 an hour as a RJ FO.

I am not such a fan of any Airline to pay such a prize to keep my job.

Doing crap like that is what got the Airlines here in the first place. Guys ready to work for food stamps. With what end in mind I have no clue!!

Do some research before pulling something out of your a$$ and posting. The flowback (if any at all) will go to the left seat making around $65 an hour. If you are so unhappy with the merger, why don't you quit bitc$ing and find another job? (I heard they are all hiring big time) All your whining about the merger is not gonna change a darn thing...