DAL, Why Vote No???

[propdog]

You guys even called Delta guys scabs. We had ugly jumpseat events towards Delta pilots by Northwest guys. Now a Delta pilot cannot have a No position because you feel the TA is the best thing since slice bread or the roof is falling bla bla bla.
Speak for yourself and stop acting like some stupid kid

I have been carrying Delta guys in the freighter even before we started the merger process and you guys and gals still most welcome. 99.99% of the NWA pilots will welcome Delta guys into NWA jumpseats. There is a very very small minority of maniacs in every company-including Delta and NWA. If anybody wants to catch a ride to Anchorage from LAX, ORD or ILN, you are welcome on our 747 freighter. Best damn way to jumpseat in the system in our spacious upperdeck first class seats...or bring your air-mattress and sleep in style---for Delta people, we will even give you a free tour of our cargo facility in Anchorage after arrival. (Currently only NWA pilots can jumpseat internationally on the freighter. After the merger process, NWA/DAL pilots can jumpseat internationally as well-to Tokyo and beyond).

 

[cocknbull]

What advantage do we have in voting yes?????

We would be giving NWA a free ride up to our level before SLI. No need to give a pilot group who just cost DAL pilots thousands a hand out!

We should go to arbitration with a clear upperhand instead of giving NWA pilots anything!


PS. My attitude was much better before your MEC cost us all thousands on the fairest deal you guys will see.

 

[Superpilot92]

What advantage do we have in voting yes?????

We would be giving NWA a free ride up to our level before SLI. No need to give a pilot group who just cost DAL pilots thousands a hand out! Just moronic and not worth further discussion.

We should go to arbitration with a clear upperhand instead of giving NWA pilots anything!there wont be any "upper hand" if you actually read the material or did some actual research then you would know this. Keep being a hothead all you want but get informed.


PS. My attitude was much better before your MEC cost us all thousands on the fairest deal you guys will see BOTH sides had unreasonable expectations back in Feb and were rushed into things. They have had time to come back down to reality and are doing a good job. Do some research and you can see for yourself..

Happy 4th of July!! Go drink a beer and take a deep breath, i think you have fallen off the deep end.

By the way, Do you DAL guys have a merger website? We have a merger website set up by the MEC that contains ALL documentation. Something that might be of interest to you CocknBull would be the "SLI NO PREDJUDICE" Document. Check it out

 

[Occam's Razor]

If you think there is a better deal to be had out there...vote no.

If you think the result of the SLI will be impacted by a rejected TA, you're wrong.

What WILL be impacted is the chance of any improvements to this TA, once Management has a Seniority List in-hand. (The impact will be negative)

Upset?
Angry?
Have issues?
Don't think you're getting your "due"?

List the sequence of events you believe will take place following a rejected TA that will mitigate your troubles.

The TA will pass MemRat at both airlines by a handy margin. It will because the "vote no" cabal can't 'splain Plan B.

Happy 4th!

 

[cocknbull]

Happy 4th as well.

 

[DTW320]

Hey 320,

Use those fifth grade Minnesota reading skills and reread my posts and find out where I said I DESERVE MORE than you do....You have RECIEVED more though, but we'll overlook it for the good of the group ok?? THE GROUP deserves MORE!!! Not the one-sided deal you guys got....

Maybe with SLI, it will even out the pain.....

It's all laughable....
Q. How do you judge the success of a merger?
A. If EVERYBODY is pissed, then it was a good merger.

---No, No, No....My name is DUMAS---
Yes,Yes,Yes.......apparently yours is---

Let's see Billy, you slam me for 5th grade reading and then proceed to misspell "received"......EVEN WITH THE FI SPELLCHECKER ENGAGED!!! Guess those Georgia public schools aren't so hot either!!!(I can stereotype too). You are too funny! BTW, I've never lived in MN or gone to school there (MI or TN either). You'd be surprised where I live.

OK, now that that's been settled.....I agree that it would be great if the GROUP had received more, but I think what was secured is pretty reasonable, even from a DALPA standpoint, given the current environment we are in. More importantly, I don't believe that voting this down will result in more $ for anyone and could result in a lot less. Just my opinion.

It still seems to me that you are a little steamed that NWA is getting a bigger % raise than you even though the fact of the matter is that if you think parity is a requirement the math says NWA MUST get a bigger % raise than you.

 

[Noserider76]

Let's see Billy, you slam me for 5th grade reading and then proceed to misspell "received"......EVEN WITH THE FI SPELLCHECKER ENGAGED!!! You are too funny. BTW, I've never lived in MN or gone to school there. You'd be surprised where I live.

OK, now that that's been settled.....I agree that it would be great if the GROUP had received more, but I think what was secured is pretty reasonable, even from a DALPA standpoint, given the current environment we are in. It still seems to me that you are a little steamed that NWA is getting a bigger % raise than you even though the fact of the matter is that if you think parity is a requirement the math says NWA MUST get a bigger % raise than you.

We think you live in FL and have your sights set on Atlanta. That's why we need big, tall, slippery fences .

 

[DTW320]

We think you live in FL and have your sights set on Atlanta. That's why we need big, tall, slippery fences .

Nope, don't live in FL. Nice place to visit though. RA seems to be pretty adamant against fences though.

 

[Noserider76]

Nope, don't live in FL. Nice place to visit though. RA seems to be pretty adamant against fences though.

He may be adamant against them but if he wants the deal done badly enough he'll work to ensure stability for the employees. Do you really want to give the company the flexibilty to move equipment around haphazardly during the initial years of a merger? These are guys who can't keep a game plan going for more than year or so as it is. Look at LAX for us. They can't or won't provide a plan that allows us to compete in the second largest city in the country.

Do you want to give them the ability to move the 330s out of SEA faster than a speeding bullet? Or move equipment out of the heartland into mecca? How about the guys who live in base and would like to keep the flying they have now. This thing already has too many moving parts as it is. We need an agreement that will ensure a bit of stability for all of us in the transition. 3-5 years seems reasonable.

The company can still fly anything to anywhere. The worst case would be a little credit time. I'm not a member of the "sky is falling, we need to bend over and give the company whatever it wants crowd". If the sky is falling it's going to fall no matter what we do.

 

[Superpilot92]

We think you live in FL and have your sights set on Atlanta. That's why we need big, tall, slippery fences .

I understand your worry but there are other factors to take into consideration. NWA planes moving to DAL bases thus making positions in the "dal bases" as well as the reciprocal with DAL planes moving to "NWA bases". That is after part of what makes the merger effective. I personally dont think you will see the negative effects you are worried about though. On top of that nobody can be displaced or bumped under the merger documentation, LOA's, and JPWA. The MECs truly have made it to where we can effectively become one big happy family and nobody should be negatively effected. All except for those that will be unhappy regardless of what happens. Some people would be pissed even if they were offered millions

 

[Noserider76]

I understand your worry but there are other factors to take into consideration. NWA planes moving to DAL bases thus making positions in the "dal bases" as well as the reciprocal with DAL planes moving to "NWA bases". On top of that nobody can be displaced or bumped under the merger documentation, LOA's, and JPWA. The MECs truly have made it to where we can effectively become one big happy family and nobody should be negatively effected. All except for those that will be unhappy regardless of what happens. Some people would be pissed even if they were offered millions

So my aircraft moves and I now have to commute if I want to stay on it, but I'm not negatively affected? There is no reason to give these guys free reign to do whatever they like when we have the leverage to control it a bit.

Believe me, they are not anywhere near that worthy of our trust. Once they get what they want and their money is in the bank, standby for incoming.

 

[Superpilot92]

So my aircraft moves and I now have to commute if I want to stay on it, but I'm not negatively affected? There is no reason to give these guys free reign to do whatever they like when we have the leverage to control it a bit.

Believe me, they are not anywhere near that worthy of our trust. Once they get what they want and their money is in the bank, standby for incoming.

Some aircraft might get moved around but the flying could also just be routed through different bases. We have protections against them from turning everything upside down. The MECs have looked at all of this. I am sure many questions will be answered at the roadshows. Be sure to ask those questions to your reps.

 

[cocknbull]

Superpilot92

If someone's post is moronic and not worthy of comment, then do just that. Keep your mouth shut. Cowards take cheap shots and run. You need to grow a pair.

Tool

 

[GogglesPisano]

At least this JCBA has flow-back arrangements for DAL guys.

Furloughs are coming with or without a merger. I'll vote for a plan E for furloughees.

 

[clippyrip]

Do you want to give them the ability to move the 330s out of SEA faster than a speeding bullet? Or move equipment out of the heartland into mecca? How about the guys who live in base and would like to keep the flying they have now. This thing already has too many moving parts as it is. We need an agreement that will ensure a bit of stability for all of us in the transition. 3-5 years seems reasonable.

If no fences and moving around aircraft is what it takes to make this a successful airline then it might be worth it. Keeping RAs hands tied with fences will not help realize the possibilities that this merger provides. My two cents...