DAL, Why Vote No???

[Speedbird34]

Nope. I was always for this merger. I was always against Delta pilots such as yourself thinking that you should get more than NWA pilots in contract and SLI. Something that you obviously still believe.

You are a dumb ass:smash:

Crawl back into your hole and play with trash and stop us wasting our valuable time listening to you spread your useless opinions.

Dumb ass:laugh:

 

[DTW320]

You are a dumb ass:smash:

Crawl back into your hole and play with trash and stop us wasting our valuable time listening to you spread your useless opinions.

Dumb ass:laugh:

Can you recommend any good CR attorney's in ATL with a reasonable retainer?

 

[DTW320]

As a NWA pilot, I would not be poking sticks at Delta pilots, they can hurt you more than you can hurt them with this vote

If they vote this down they hurt themselves as much or more than they hurt any NWA pilot. Look around at oil/industry today and listen to what your own MEC says your prospects are without the merger.

 

[Speedbird34]

You never disappoint! What COLOR is the sky in your screwed up little world? What COLOR does DTW320 mean and why?Ashamed of my race? No, just ashamed that my new airline hired an idiot like you. Still hate me? Gosh I hope so.:laugh:

Man, it is fun to mess with your little mind! And so easy too!

You are not messing with my mind. Just playing into a web dumb ass

A dumb ass like you tries to find a platform to attack from and slowly finds the platform swept from his feet. You want to present me as a racist even when it has nothing to do with our veiw from the Delta side that you are a dumbass. I just pulled that rug from under your feet by stating I am ready to talk about the ills of my race.

I am just very truthful about my observations and you are a DUMB ASS:laugh:

 

[Speedbird34]

If they vote this down they hurt themselves as much or more than they hurt any NWA pilot. Look around at oil/industry today and listen to what your own MEC says your prospects are without the merger.

Dumb ASS:laugh:

Save your opinions for a DTW hooker. We will pass

Dumb ASS:laugh:

 

[DTW320]

You are not messing with my mind. Just playing into a web dumb ass

A dumb ass like you tries to find a platform to attack from and slowly finds the platform swept from his feet. You want to present me as a racist even when it has nothing to do with our veiw from the Delta side that you are a dumbass. I just pulled that rug from under your feet by stating I am ready to talk about the ills of my race.

I am just very truthful about my observations and you are a DUMB ASS:laugh:

Just....Listen to yourself.....you are HILARIOUS!!

I hate DTW320 foolish remarks

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Speedbird34]

If they vote this down they hurt themselves as much or more than they hurt any NWA pilot. Look around at oil/industry today and listen to what your own MEC says your prospects are without the merger.

Would I suggest a new screen name?

Guess?

Dumb Ass !! :laugh:

perfect screen name.

 

[DTW320]

Would I suggest a new screen name?

Guess?

Dumb Ass !! :laugh:

perfect screen name.

Ha!! You are SOOOOOO clever!! Let's see....Speedbird is the call sign for British Airways. British Airways has very few if any pilots of color. What is the "hidden meaning" of your screen name?:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Speedbird34]

Just....Listen to yourself.....you are HILARIOUS!!
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Very funny Dumb ass. Humor comes to an old mentally retarding Ass from a different perspective.

 

[MJ42]

Well, I think it's time someone says it...


YOU'RE BOTH DUMB ASSES!

And stop with the damn smiley faces!

 

[hockeypilot44]

If you guys can't stand each other, just put each other on your ignore lists. Problem solved. There is no need to bash each other back and forth with childish replies.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Nope. I was always for this merger. I was always against Delta pilots such as yourself thinking that you should get more than NWA pilots in contract and SLI. Something that you obviously still believe.

Hey 320,

Use those fifth grade Minnesota reading skills and reread my posts and find out where I said I DESERVE MORE than you do....You have RECIEVED more though, but we'll overlook it for the good of the group ok?? THE GROUP deserves MORE!!! Not the one-sided deal you guys got....

Maybe with SLI, it will even out the pain.....

It's all laughable....
Q. How do you judge the success of a merger?
A. If EVERYBODY is pissed, then it was a good merger.

---No, No, No....My name is DUMAS---

 

[JohnDoe]

If the SLI is negotiated first, what is management's incentive to negotiate yet another contract?

I can see them dragging it out for some time, and giving less. This contract has less than the one in February. Do you honestly think a third would have more???

(question not directed at any one person)

 

[Superpilot92]

If the SLI is negotiated first, what is management's incentive to negotiate yet another contract?

I can see them dragging it out for some time, and giving less. This contract has less than the one in February. Do you honestly think a third would have more???

(question not directed at any one person)

I dont think many people are looking past their noses. If the DAL side votes it down they will be the ones "not cooperating" with DAL Mgmt. The NWA side will probably get their own version of "loa 19" but possibly with the JPWA rates and the SLI will be done Just the same. Vote this down you get the SAME SLI with less gains while also destroying the monumental effects of two MECs working together and forming a solid pilot group which we will have to deal with for the rest of our careers. (if we survive:erm: )

Considering the rest of the industry right now, voting no will effectively make us the biggest losers in all this. Why? because of greed and unreasonable expectations in light of the current events.

The thing that cracks me up is the number of No people on here who dont appear to have even seen the documentation provided by their MEC.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Fact is that the way this was negotiated (read all of the documents) both sides have effectively been out maneuvered.(By the MEC's and the company. With good reason. USAir will not happen here no matter how hard we try. It may get ugly but not that ugly) This will now occur with or with out either side. We will get the SLI with or with out a contract. (DAL guys want SLI before a JPWA and may get their wish. Notice that the MEC's are not in that big of a hurry to have this one ratified. We will probably use all 60 days in which time a SLI might come out)
Problem is that when the dust settles, and we the two MEC's with our membership are still at odds. We will now have an uphill battle in front of us. Ask the red and green book guys how it feels to deal with that kind of internal strife for an entire career.

When you look at the JPWA as a failure over LOA 19, your view is fatally flawed. Fact is that the DAL MEC came out and stated much to its credit that LOA 19 was an insurance policy to guarantee the the DAL pilots the JPWA advances if we the two pilot groups could not come to an agreement. It was no a place to start from for a JPWA. This fundamental difference in thinking is why this will probably be voted down here at DAL.

 

[propdog]

You guys even called Delta guys scabs. We had ugly jumpseat events towards Delta pilots by Northwest guys. Now a Delta pilot cannot have a No position because you feel the TA is the best thing since slice bread or the roof is falling bla bla bla.
Speak for yourself and stop acting like some stupid kid

I have been carrying Delta guys in the freighter even before we started the merger process and you guys and gals still most welcome. 99.99% of the NWA pilots will welcome Delta guys into NWA jumpseats. There is a very very small minority of maniacs in every company-including Delta and NWA. If anybody wants to catch a ride to Anchorage from LAX, ORD or ILN, you are welcome on our 747 freighter. Best damn way to jumpseat in the system in our spacious upperdeck first class seats...or bring your air-mattress and sleep in style---for Delta people, we will even give you a free tour of our cargo facility in Anchorage after arrival. (Currently only NWA pilots can jumpseat internationally on the freighter. After the merger process, NWA/DAL pilots can jumpseat internationally as well-to Tokyo and beyond).

 

[cocknbull]

What advantage do we have in voting yes?????

We would be giving NWA a free ride up to our level before SLI. No need to give a pilot group who just cost DAL pilots thousands a hand out!

We should go to arbitration with a clear upperhand instead of giving NWA pilots anything!


PS. My attitude was much better before your MEC cost us all thousands on the fairest deal you guys will see.

 

[Superpilot92]

What advantage do we have in voting yes?????

We would be giving NWA a free ride up to our level before SLI. No need to give a pilot group who just cost DAL pilots thousands a hand out! Just moronic and not worth further discussion.

We should go to arbitration with a clear upperhand instead of giving NWA pilots anything!there wont be any "upper hand" if you actually read the material or did some actual research then you would know this. Keep being a hothead all you want but get informed.


PS. My attitude was much better before your MEC cost us all thousands on the fairest deal you guys will see BOTH sides had unreasonable expectations back in Feb and were rushed into things. They have had time to come back down to reality and are doing a good job. Do some research and you can see for yourself..

Happy 4th of July!! Go drink a beer and take a deep breath, i think you have fallen off the deep end.

By the way, Do you DAL guys have a merger website? We have a merger website set up by the MEC that contains ALL documentation. Something that might be of interest to you CocknBull would be the "SLI NO PREDJUDICE" Document. Check it out

 

[Occam's Razor]

If you think there is a better deal to be had out there...vote no.

If you think the result of the SLI will be impacted by a rejected TA, you're wrong.

What WILL be impacted is the chance of any improvements to this TA, once Management has a Seniority List in-hand. (The impact will be negative)

Upset?
Angry?
Have issues?
Don't think you're getting your "due"?

List the sequence of events you believe will take place following a rejected TA that will mitigate your troubles.

The TA will pass MemRat at both airlines by a handy margin. It will because the "vote no" cabal can't 'splain Plan B.

Happy 4th!

 

[cocknbull]

Happy 4th as well.

 

[DTW320]

Hey 320,

Use those fifth grade Minnesota reading skills and reread my posts and find out where I said I DESERVE MORE than you do....You have RECIEVED more though, but we'll overlook it for the good of the group ok?? THE GROUP deserves MORE!!! Not the one-sided deal you guys got....

Maybe with SLI, it will even out the pain.....

It's all laughable....
Q. How do you judge the success of a merger?
A. If EVERYBODY is pissed, then it was a good merger.

---No, No, No....My name is DUMAS---
Yes,Yes,Yes.......apparently yours is---

Let's see Billy, you slam me for 5th grade reading and then proceed to misspell "received"......EVEN WITH THE FI SPELLCHECKER ENGAGED!!! Guess those Georgia public schools aren't so hot either!!!(I can stereotype too). You are too funny! BTW, I've never lived in MN or gone to school there (MI or TN either). You'd be surprised where I live.

OK, now that that's been settled.....I agree that it would be great if the GROUP had received more, but I think what was secured is pretty reasonable, even from a DALPA standpoint, given the current environment we are in. More importantly, I don't believe that voting this down will result in more $ for anyone and could result in a lot less. Just my opinion.

It still seems to me that you are a little steamed that NWA is getting a bigger % raise than you even though the fact of the matter is that if you think parity is a requirement the math says NWA MUST get a bigger % raise than you.

 

[Noserider76]

Let's see Billy, you slam me for 5th grade reading and then proceed to misspell "received"......EVEN WITH THE FI SPELLCHECKER ENGAGED!!! You are too funny. BTW, I've never lived in MN or gone to school there. You'd be surprised where I live.

OK, now that that's been settled.....I agree that it would be great if the GROUP had received more, but I think what was secured is pretty reasonable, even from a DALPA standpoint, given the current environment we are in. It still seems to me that you are a little steamed that NWA is getting a bigger % raise than you even though the fact of the matter is that if you think parity is a requirement the math says NWA MUST get a bigger % raise than you.

We think you live in FL and have your sights set on Atlanta. That's why we need big, tall, slippery fences .

 

[DTW320]

We think you live in FL and have your sights set on Atlanta. That's why we need big, tall, slippery fences .

Nope, don't live in FL. Nice place to visit though. RA seems to be pretty adamant against fences though.

 

[Noserider76]

Nope, don't live in FL. Nice place to visit though. RA seems to be pretty adamant against fences though.

He may be adamant against them but if he wants the deal done badly enough he'll work to ensure stability for the employees. Do you really want to give the company the flexibilty to move equipment around haphazardly during the initial years of a merger? These are guys who can't keep a game plan going for more than year or so as it is. Look at LAX for us. They can't or won't provide a plan that allows us to compete in the second largest city in the country.

Do you want to give them the ability to move the 330s out of SEA faster than a speeding bullet? Or move equipment out of the heartland into mecca? How about the guys who live in base and would like to keep the flying they have now. This thing already has too many moving parts as it is. We need an agreement that will ensure a bit of stability for all of us in the transition. 3-5 years seems reasonable.

The company can still fly anything to anywhere. The worst case would be a little credit time. I'm not a member of the "sky is falling, we need to bend over and give the company whatever it wants crowd". If the sky is falling it's going to fall no matter what we do.

 

[Superpilot92]

We think you live in FL and have your sights set on Atlanta. That's why we need big, tall, slippery fences .

I understand your worry but there are other factors to take into consideration. NWA planes moving to DAL bases thus making positions in the "dal bases" as well as the reciprocal with DAL planes moving to "NWA bases". That is after part of what makes the merger effective. I personally dont think you will see the negative effects you are worried about though. On top of that nobody can be displaced or bumped under the merger documentation, LOA's, and JPWA. The MECs truly have made it to where we can effectively become one big happy family and nobody should be negatively effected. All except for those that will be unhappy regardless of what happens. Some people would be pissed even if they were offered millions

 

[Noserider76]

I understand your worry but there are other factors to take into consideration. NWA planes moving to DAL bases thus making positions in the "dal bases" as well as the reciprocal with DAL planes moving to "NWA bases". On top of that nobody can be displaced or bumped under the merger documentation, LOA's, and JPWA. The MECs truly have made it to where we can effectively become one big happy family and nobody should be negatively effected. All except for those that will be unhappy regardless of what happens. Some people would be pissed even if they were offered millions

So my aircraft moves and I now have to commute if I want to stay on it, but I'm not negatively affected? There is no reason to give these guys free reign to do whatever they like when we have the leverage to control it a bit.

Believe me, they are not anywhere near that worthy of our trust. Once they get what they want and their money is in the bank, standby for incoming.

 

[Superpilot92]

So my aircraft moves and I now have to commute if I want to stay on it, but I'm not negatively affected? There is no reason to give these guys free reign to do whatever they like when we have the leverage to control it a bit.

Believe me, they are not anywhere near that worthy of our trust. Once they get what they want and their money is in the bank, standby for incoming.

Some aircraft might get moved around but the flying could also just be routed through different bases. We have protections against them from turning everything upside down. The MECs have looked at all of this. I am sure many questions will be answered at the roadshows. Be sure to ask those questions to your reps.

 

[cocknbull]

Superpilot92

If someone's post is moronic and not worthy of comment, then do just that. Keep your mouth shut. Cowards take cheap shots and run. You need to grow a pair.

Tool

 

[GogglesPisano]

At least this JCBA has flow-back arrangements for DAL guys.

Furloughs are coming with or without a merger. I'll vote for a plan E for furloughees.

 

[clippyrip]

Do you want to give them the ability to move the 330s out of SEA faster than a speeding bullet? Or move equipment out of the heartland into mecca? How about the guys who live in base and would like to keep the flying they have now. This thing already has too many moving parts as it is. We need an agreement that will ensure a bit of stability for all of us in the transition. 3-5 years seems reasonable.

If no fences and moving around aircraft is what it takes to make this a successful airline then it might be worth it. Keeping RAs hands tied with fences will not help realize the possibilities that this merger provides. My two cents...