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Captzaahlie
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MK82Man
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Captz -- man I wish you would have supported one or the other. We just needed about 250 more votes for ALPA and ALPA would have prevailed in the election. Not that ALPA is the end all, cure all, but sure better than the joke of USCABERsville.
Now with UCRAPPER running the show, we are all doomed during this downturn. Oil at 140 a barrel and the West being furloughed at a 10% rate while the East gets by with less than a 4% rate. Dudes out West that had a job at the time of the merger being let go, while East coast guys who were furloughed back in May of 05, get to stay. I lose my job to some dude that didn't even have a job. How fair is that? That is why folks are throwing the scab thing around. East coast recallees (since the merger date, May 05) who continue to work when West Coast pilots get furloughed (in about 80 days) will be taking the job filled by an active pilot. It is going to be a ruinous issue.
What is UCRAPPERs take on the issue? Silence. Why – it is exactly what UCRAPPER wants – to disenfranchise the West, so the East can benefit. Actually they said “we can’t do anything about management’s decision" … oh sure, it is just management’s fault. Spin city, from Crapersville. The boys running the farce of a union are soon going to be overwhelmed. The minute the first West dude gets furloughed, it will galvanize the remaining 1700 AWA pilots to the realization of the absolute disaster this has become. The apathy and silence displayed by the wall hugger dudes out East only contribute to the problem. Please stand up and be heard.
Only one winner. Management. I’ll say it again, Management wins and we lose.
Some union – it is no union, it is a joke. Fair Representation, no way. Binding arbitration – unless you don’t like the outcome. This was supposed to be a merger between two airlines. We didn’t try to take over or take advantage of the East – heck AWA paid your payroll the last two weeks so US could stay in business and avoid CH 7. Sure there is pain our West now, but more disappointment is coming to the East. It is so sad that it has come to this. West would support even %s of furloughs to keep the company afloat, but UCrapper doesn’t want that.
20 months until UCRAPPSville can be voted off. Please vote next time. Apathy is worse than anything. Don't disengage, be part of the solution. The airline is doomed if it is East vs. West forever, and right now with UCRAPPSville's silence on Management's use of separate East and West lists (even though they have the combined list) and absolutely no progress on a new contract, well it just goes to show they are in over their heads. East will remain on the LOA contract until UCRAPPER is voted off or until the entire ship goes down. I’d like to say ya’ll are getting your wish of “full pay to the last day” and burn the mother down. But unfortunately you are getting Bankruptcy pay until the last day, but you may indeed succeed at burning the mother down – unless the West beats you too it now due to the furlough issue. May God save the Queen, the United States of American, and have something left to help the new US Airways stay afloat. He is about the only dude that can save us now. I’d like to have something to come back too.
Now with UCRAPPER running the show, we are all doomed during this downturn. Oil at 140 a barrel and the West being furloughed at a 10% rate while the East gets by with less than a 4% rate. Dudes out West that had a job at the time of the merger being let go, while East coast guys who were furloughed back in May of 05, get to stay. I lose my job to some dude that didn't even have a job. How fair is that? That is why folks are throwing the scab thing around. East coast recallees (since the merger date, May 05) who continue to work when West Coast pilots get furloughed (in about 80 days) will be taking the job filled by an active pilot. It is going to be a ruinous issue.
What is UCRAPPERs take on the issue? Silence. Why – it is exactly what UCRAPPER wants – to disenfranchise the West, so the East can benefit. Actually they said “we can’t do anything about management’s decision" … oh sure, it is just management’s fault. Spin city, from Crapersville. The boys running the farce of a union are soon going to be overwhelmed. The minute the first West dude gets furloughed, it will galvanize the remaining 1700 AWA pilots to the realization of the absolute disaster this has become. The apathy and silence displayed by the wall hugger dudes out East only contribute to the problem. Please stand up and be heard.
Only one winner. Management. I’ll say it again, Management wins and we lose.
Some union – it is no union, it is a joke. Fair Representation, no way. Binding arbitration – unless you don’t like the outcome. This was supposed to be a merger between two airlines. We didn’t try to take over or take advantage of the East – heck AWA paid your payroll the last two weeks so US could stay in business and avoid CH 7. Sure there is pain our West now, but more disappointment is coming to the East. It is so sad that it has come to this. West would support even %s of furloughs to keep the company afloat, but UCrapper doesn’t want that.
20 months until UCRAPPSville can be voted off. Please vote next time. Apathy is worse than anything. Don't disengage, be part of the solution. The airline is doomed if it is East vs. West forever, and right now with UCRAPPSville's silence on Management's use of separate East and West lists (even though they have the combined list) and absolutely no progress on a new contract, well it just goes to show they are in over their heads. East will remain on the LOA contract until UCRAPPER is voted off or until the entire ship goes down. I’d like to say ya’ll are getting your wish of “full pay to the last day” and burn the mother down. But unfortunately you are getting Bankruptcy pay until the last day, but you may indeed succeed at burning the mother down – unless the West beats you too it now due to the furlough issue. May God save the Queen, the United States of American, and have something left to help the new US Airways stay afloat. He is about the only dude that can save us now. I’d like to have something to come back too.
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Have you guys heard anything about USAPA wanting to use everyone's first DOH at a Part 121 job for the new combined list?
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Hey brain surgeon, this was from the company NOT the union!
You can now go back to your regularly scheduled bash fest.
WSurf
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Kinda like what Mainline gave you for your 20 years plus of service to a company you already work for (your 20 plus years at a wo didn't mean sh#t basically). So what did you get for over 20 years? A seniority number lower then Mesa folks hired off the street. Basically back at the end of the bus.
Are you really shocked at all? Come on Mr. Hanky, look at all the CEL guys at mainline that aren't gonna get furloughed. What a waste that list was.
FUBAR!
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ponder
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JoeMerchant
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Bringupthebird
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Suppose there is a combined contract when the recalls occur. Who d'ya suppose gets the first callback?
I'll give ya 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count.
At least with ALPA you could get mad and recall your reps. USAPA appoints reps and doesn't hold elections until the damage is done by guys no one elected. And they decide to hold everything in "Executive Session" (Backroom deal) so that no one is held accountable.
Yeah, it's way better than ALPA (not!)
I'll give ya 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count.
At least with ALPA you could get mad and recall your reps. USAPA appoints reps and doesn't hold elections until the damage is done by guys no one elected. And they decide to hold everything in "Executive Session" (Backroom deal) so that no one is held accountable.
Yeah, it's way better than ALPA (not!)
JoeMerchant
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It's better for the USAir folks....That is the culture that ALPA helped create...."It's all about ME"......Came back to bite ALPA in the butt....
Tweaker
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The company does not want to give something for nothing, when they think they can make the union give concessions for it during an open negotiating period. Problem for them is that this was already agreed to in a previous contract by all parties involved. Only the details were left to be worked out. Of course, the devil is in both the details and management suites all over this airline.
As far as any advantages, there are none at all. An asute observation, and one obvious to any disinterested party. Hopefully a judge will agree. There is one disadvantage, versus me simply sending in a resume and partying like it was 1999 again. If I get terminated, according management's most generous proposal, I additionally lose my recall rights at US Airways! Sounds tempting, no?
Thanks for the well wishes, Ponder. Best of luck to you, too.
WankerSurf, I'm glad you enjoy this, you mouthbreathing bedwetter. I fart in your general direction.
Captzaahlie
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FR8mastr
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oh, hey that makes it all better now!uke:
No not at all, but one must blame this on the guilty party.
I know it's the "thing to do" on this board to blame USAPA for everything, but this flow proposal, if it is accurate, had nothing to do with USAPA. They along with the WO guys in attendance, basically just listened to the company.
WSurf
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Dude you're an idiot! Why would I enjoy this? Come on man, we are all getting hosed because of this. Believe me, I would have gone to mainline if the flowthru would have been contractually honored by mainline. First we all took concession for a flowthru and RJ's. Hell, how many of us would have voted for those concession if we hadn't been lied to.
Yes, you guys took a chance. A chance that I sure wouldn't haven't risked. But its done, and soon you folks will be furloughed. And now US Airways is looking for another 10% cut for next year. Freaking more Furloughs.
But for you to think I enjoy this makes you an a$$ sir. And the fart in my general direction? Come on man, can't you be a bit more orginal.
Good Day
JoeMerchant
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ALPA testified under oath that they did infact withold information from the ALG and PDT pilots during these negotiations...You can read about here with a link to the actual testimony....
http://www.rjdefense.com/2006/102806up.pdf
What a union.....
ALPA testified under oath that they did infact withold information from the ALG and PDT pilots during these negotiations...You can read about here with a link to the actual testimony....
http://www.rjdefense.com/2006/102806up.pdf
What a union.....
It's called a confidentiality agreement, Joey. As a former ALPA CNC member, you should know what that is.
Scope out RJ's
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ALPA testified under oath that they did infact withold information from the ALG and PDT pilots during these negotiations...You can read about here with a link to the actual testimony....
http://www.rjdefense.com/2006/102806up.pdf
What a union.....
Facts from the rjdc, now that's too funny. What's next, peace advice from al quaeda?
JoeMerchant
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I see 737Pylt has crawled back out of his hole....What did you get banned for this time?
Scope out RJ's
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Who the hell is 737pylt?
And how do you get the balls to tell someone their pay for training when your company may not have started it, but perfected it.
I love when some rjdc puke lectures anyone on the airline industry.
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