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ponder said:
Tweaker said:
Yes and it is as expected,

NO REQUIREMENT TO INTERVIEW for flow back - joy

Tweaker,
something doesn't look right here. I don't doubt
what you say, but you must have a source close to the negotiations. Presumably you have interviewed
at PDT once in the past sucessfully, so the only advantage you are offered is something you have
already done. Who is giving you this info? It looks like to me that you are saying the company does not
want a flow through. I don't think the company cares
one way or the other. I don't understand what
possible advantage you would be getting from going
back to PDT on the bottom of the list. Not intended
as flame, it's just that anybody can apply and inter-
view there, so why negotiate that? I don't get it. But
maybe I am missing something.

being furloughed sucks and I wish you the best.
-Ponder
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The company does not want to give something for nothing, when they think they can make the union give concessions for it during an open negotiating period. Problem for them is that this was already agreed to in a previous contract by all parties involved. Only the details were left to be worked out. Of course, the devil is in both the details and management suites all over this airline.

As far as any advantages, there are none at all. An asute observation, and one obvious to any disinterested party. Hopefully a judge will agree. There is one disadvantage, versus me simply sending in a resume and partying like it was 1999 again. If I get terminated, according management's most generous proposal:rolleyes: , I additionally lose my recall rights at US Airways! Sounds tempting, no?

Thanks for the well wishes, Ponder. Best of luck to you, too.

WankerSurf, I'm glad you enjoy this, you mouthbreathing bedwetter. I fart in your general direction.
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FR8mastr said:
Hey brain surgeon, this was from the company NOT the union!

You can now go back to your regularly scheduled bash fest.
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oh, hey that makes it all better now!:puke:
 
Captzaahlie said:
oh, hey that makes it all better now!:puke:
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No not at all, but one must blame this on the guilty party.

I know it's the "thing to do" on this board to blame USAPA for everything, but this flow proposal, if it is accurate, had nothing to do with USAPA. They along with the WO guys in attendance, basically just listened to the company.
 
Tweaker said:
WankerSurf, I'm glad you enjoy this, you mouthbreathing bedwetter. I fart in your general direction.
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Dude you're an idiot! Why would I enjoy this? Come on man, we are all getting hosed because of this. Believe me, I would have gone to mainline if the flowthru would have been contractually honored by mainline. First we all took concession for a flowthru and RJ's. Hell, how many of us would have voted for those concession if we hadn't been lied to.
Yes, you guys took a chance. A chance that I sure wouldn't haven't risked. But its done, and soon you folks will be furloughed. And now US Airways is looking for another 10% cut for next year. Freaking more Furloughs.

But for you to think I enjoy this makes you an a$$ sir. And the fart in my general direction? Come on man, can't you be a bit more orginal.


Good Day
 
WSurf said:
Dude you're an idiot! Why would I enjoy this? Come on man, we are all getting hosed because of this. Believe me, I would have gone to mainline if the flowthru would have been contractually honored by mainline. First we all took concession for a flowthru and RJ's. Hell, how many of us would have voted for those concession if we hadn't been lied to.
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ALPA testified under oath that they did infact withold information from the ALG and PDT pilots during these negotiations...You can read about here with a link to the actual testimony....
http://www.rjdefense.com/2006/102806up.pdf

What a union.....:rolleyes:
 
JoeMerchant said:
ALPA testified under oath that they did infact withold information from the ALG and PDT pilots during these negotiations...You can read about here with a link to the actual testimony....
http://www.rjdefense.com/2006/102806up.pdf

What a union.....:rolleyes:
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It's called a confidentiality agreement, Joey. As a former ALPA CNC member, you should know what that is.
 
JoeMerchant said:
I see 737Pylt has crawled back out of his hole....What did you get banned for this time?
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Who the hell is 737pylt?
And how do you get the balls to tell someone their pay for training when your company may not have started it, but perfected it.
I love when some rjdc puke lectures anyone on the airline industry.
 
JAB31 said:
How many did US furlough? I heard Oct bid came out and it cut out alot of new hires.

Just curious thanks.
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31 guys on the east side took a leave. 125-31=94 furloughs.

the bottom 86ish (of the 94) are off the street guys and the other 8 are guys that were on the mainline list via MDA.
 
Lear Love wrote:

the bottom 86ish (of the 94) are off the street guys and the other 8 are guys that were on the mainline list via MDA.

Don't worry when we begin to furlough from AWA they will be all front line AWA pilots from Mainline List at the time of the merger. Minus about 6 East Furloughees that were lucky enough to come West. Hey thanks USAPA, they came West and lose the dream, while a furlougheee who went back to mother East keeps his job. Some crapsville of a "union".
 
MK82Man said:
Lear Love wrote:

the bottom 86ish (of the 94) are off the street guys and the other 8 are guys that were on the mainline list via MDA.

Don't worry when we begin to furlough from AWA they will be all front line AWA pilots from Mainline List at the time of the merger. Minus about 6 East Furloughees that were lucky enough to come West. Hey thanks USAPA, they came West and lose the dream, while a furlougheee who went back to mother East keeps his job. Some crapsville of a "union".
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Then what happens next year? Aren't they looking to Reduce another 8-10%. Shrinking to make a profit? Hmmmmm.
 
MK82Man said:
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Don't worry when we begin to furlough from AWA they will be all front line AWA pilots from Mainline List at the time of the merger. Minus about 6 East Furloughees that were lucky enough to come West. Hey thanks USAPA, they came West and lose the dream, while a furlougheee who went back to mother East keeps his job. Some crapsville of a "union".
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They chose to leave USAir and go to AW. That has nothing to do with the union. I chose to go to UAL and could get screwed in the end. ( no pun intended) Is that USAPA's fault as well??
 
eaglesview said:
They chose to leave USAir and go to AW. That has nothing to do with the union. I chose to go to UAL and could get screwed in the end. ( no pun intended) Is that USAPA's fault as well??
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Of course it is! Everything since the Wright brothers first crash is the fault of USAPA, just ask the West, they will tell you
 
What is USAPA doing to ensure that the furloughs happen in the order they are supposed to? The TA clearly states that all pilots who are hired after the merger are on a third and seperate list, junior to all on the east and west lists prior to the merger. By my count, there are 153 of these pilots. EVERY one of them should be furloughed before ANY other pilot from the original east OR west list. Both east and west contracts specify that furloughs come from the bottom up and there is no question that these pilots are junior to both lists, even if you use DOH as the criteria. This is the first test for USAPA to prove that they have some integrity and plan to represent ALL US Airways pilots. So far, all they're doing is sending threatening letters to west pilots and doing nothing whatsoever to contest our impending furloughs.
 
FR8mastr said:
Of course it is! Everything since the Wright brothers first crash is the fault of USAPA, just ask the West, they will tell you
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Everything since the Wright Brothers first crash is the fault of ALPA, just ask the East, they will tell you.
 
TWA Dude said:
Everything since the Wright Brothers first crash is the fault of ALPA, just ask the East, they will tell you.
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I disagree, I think ALPA was once a great union, and still is when it comes to safety related stuff. I think they could do better with rest requirements, but all in all good stuff.

The problem comes in with recent history, when the top tier of ALPA brass changed the rules to keep their pay up while everyone they "represent" makes less. When they represent both sides of the deck ML VS express, someone is going to lose, usually both. Example: Express carriers come up with horrible low ball rates that get approved by National with full knowledge that the only purpose of said rates is to undercut the ML. This hurts both ML and Express, but that's ok though National ALPA is taking in the dues.
Then the final straw, the only union in existence that seniority does not matter. If you call National on it, you get the "we are not a union we are an association" crap.

So no, not everything since the Wright bros. first crash is ALPA's fault, but the current state of the industry certainly has ALPA written all over it.
 
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Thebadcat1313 said:
What is USAPA doing to ensure that the furloughs happen in the order they are supposed to? The TA clearly states that all pilots who are hired after the merger are on a third and seperate list, junior to all on the east and west lists prior to the merger. By my count, there are 153 of these pilots. EVERY one of them should be furloughed before ANY other pilot from the original east OR west list. Both east and west contracts specify that furloughs come from the bottom up and there is no question that these pilots are junior to both lists, even if you use DOH as the criteria. This is the first test for USAPA to prove that they have some integrity and plan to represent ALL US Airways pilots. So far, all they're doing is sending threatening letters to west pilots and doing nothing whatsoever to contest our impending furloughs.
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Your numbers are wrong, Lear's are spot on, as usual. All off the street and all whorely owned pilots will be gone, and then some.
 
Thebadcat1313 said:
What is USAPA doing to ensure that the furloughs happen in the order they are supposed to? The TA clearly states that all pilots who are hired after the merger are on a third and seperate list, junior to all on the east and west lists prior to the merger. By my count, there are 153 of these pilots. EVERY one of them should be furloughed before ANY other pilot from the original east OR west list. Both east and west contracts specify that furloughs come from the bottom up and there is no question that these pilots are junior to both lists, even if you use DOH as the criteria. This is the first test for USAPA to prove that they have some integrity and plan to represent ALL US Airways pilots. So far, all they're doing is sending threatening letters to west pilots and doing nothing whatsoever to contest our impending furloughs.
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My guess is they will not if the TA in any way is associated with the nic or can be conceived as there being one list. The legal ramifications are obvious.
 
Joe is a pro MGT D-BAG that why he hate ALPA here a quote from him commenting on the NTSB's finding that 12h duty day should be the limit. Joe you are really a waste of human skin.

"How is everyone going to feel when a 12 hour duty day results in more days at work and fewer days off?
"
 
olympus593 said:
Joe is a pro MGT D-BAG that why he hate ALPA here a quote from him commenting on the NTSB's finding that 12h duty day should be the limit. Joe you are really a waste of human skin.

"How is everyone going to feel when a 12 hour duty day results in more days at work and fewer days off?
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12 hour duty days will result in more days at work and fewer days at home....Sorry if that is "pro managment"....Maybe you like to spend more time away from home.....To each their own....

Anyway that doesn't have anything to do with the above post where former AWA MEC members put a lot of the blame with ALPA, and not USAPA....
 
Maybe they should schedule us for 20H of duty just to get more day off.
I do 14H duty day all the time and after MX and WX delay it usually turn to a 15 or 16H duty day, if you think that anybody is at 100% of their game after 16H on duty you are a bigger troll than I thought. Scheduling 14H duty day with 6/7/8 legs is not safe, you think differently because you are a managment stooge.
 
olympus593 said:
Maybe they should schedule us for 20H of duty just to get more day off.
I do 14H duty day all the time and after MX and WX delay it usually turn to a 15 or 16H duty day, if you think that anybody is at 100% of their game after 16H on duty you are a bigger troll than I thought. Scheduling 14H duty day with 6/7/8 legs is not safe, you think differently because you are a managment stooge.
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Just answer the question....Are you willing to trade more days at home for a shorter duty day.....I do the 14 hour days also...3 day trips....Using your logic, maybe we should only have 8 hour days.....You can't be at 100% of your game at 12 hours either.....

Let's take this over to the duty time thread if you wan't to keep at it....This one is about USAirways and some former AWA MEC members casting ALPA in a bad light.....
 
olympus593 said:
To answer you question Yeah I would not mind losing 1 or 2 day off a month to reduce the average duty day by 2 to 3H.
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To each their own....Many would disgree however....

In many cases it could add 4 days more at work....With shorter duty days you see more 4 day trips and fewer 3 day trips....

You bid the short 4 day trips and I'll bid the long 3 day trips....That keeps us both happy....
 

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