JB pilots just got a facial from mgmt.

[aerobato]

Quit f#@king whining! You want to trade with the UAL guys?

Or Midwest?

Or Frontier?

Or AA (soon)?

Or ATA?

Or Suncountry?

Or USAir/AWA?

THIS kind of crap really pi$$es me off! You missed your calling by not being an '86 AA hire... TC

Amen, People are being furloughed and some turds are whinig about the raise they just got. This has got to be flamebait

 

[D-Bo]

And hey, at least you make yourselves a more attractive merger partner by not having a union. It wouldn't turn out good for you though.

 

[AA767AV8TOR]

A320 failed to mention that the company still backs its no furlough policy as well in this new agreement. Sometimes job security is the best thing you can pull from this agreement in this turbulent times.

Chalk it down to a hard lesson learned from American Airlines – a no-furlough clause is not worth the paper it is written on especially in the coming environment!!

AA767AV8TOR

 

[D-Bo]

Amen, People are being furloughed and some turds are whinig about the raise they just got. This has got to be flamebait

What the F does the environment have to do with what you think you're worth and what does it have to do with organizing? You Frs have absolutely lost it when you talk about a pilot thinking he is worth more is "whining". Esspecially when it's a buy off. They aren't doing the ******************** out of the goodness of their heart. They woudn't offer a no furlough clause UNLESS they felt it couldn't hold up or if they didn't plan on furloughing otherwise. Learn from others mistakes. This game has been played numerous times.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

You know what, I don't care anymore. Let's get the union on the property now, lay off about 200-300 pilots, and just be like everybody else.

 

[D-Bo]

You know what, I don't care anymore. Let's get the union on the property now, lay off about 200-300 pilots, and just be like everybody else.

I bet that's what management has ben telling you guys verbatim. What's the difference between this agreement with a union v without one? Really? Why would you being organized cause them to automatically lay off a few hundred pilots unless they planned on doing it anyway. Why the F couldn't they violate it? It's not binding by the RLA. Go ahead and go for it though. You'll continue to not have any bite to any bark you may have.

And hope you don't merge. Any other group will have their way with you. You'll understand when you could possibly go from your left seat job to hoping you get the bottom of a right seat job. By the time you learn your lesson it will be too late.

Keep running. Just realize that whatever happens to you guys outside of a merger is going to happen anyway whether you organize or not. So you may as well organize.

 

[D-Bo]

You know what, I don't care anymore. Let's get the union on the property now, lay off about 200-300 pilots, and just be like everybody else.

And you guys are just like everyone else. You just haven't come to realize it yet. What makes you think you guys are special?

 

[airlinepilot]

You can tell the TSA guys and gals because they have a gold badge on their uniforms! Maybe that was the real reason they wanted them......too much confusion with the same uniform.

 

[Pilotbob3]

I don't agree the JB pilots got a bad deal. I am happily surprised at the positive changes in the compensation from both last year and this year.

And yes DeBo....JB pilots are different and special!

 

[Flyer1015]

All other 320 CA (the most senior) got 0%.

What a huge 'thank you!' for your service!

 

[AKAAB]

And you guys are just like everyone else. You just haven't come to realize it yet. What makes you think you guys are special?

We never said we were special, but at one point we did think management was serious about not being like every other airline out there and taking care of us so we'd never need a union.

Now, we're one man away from having a management that wasn't even around JB was founded, and he just turned his back on every promise he ever made to us.

The time for promises is gone. The time for a CBA is upon us.

 

[waveflyer]

I just hope EVERYONE has learned their lesson about paycuts. Not one more dime- not even at $200/barrel. Name a company that took a cut that is in better shape b/c of it? And, if you don't get inflationary raises- you DID take a paycut.

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

I hope that back that POLICY better than they did the policy to keep pay and benefits just under Southwest's.

A320 failed to mention that the company still backs its no furlough policy as well in this new agreement. Sometimes job security is the best thing you can pull from this agreement in this turbulent times. AND some work groups even got a raise not a pink slip! If we got a raise even beyond what the PCRB recommended, these people would still whine about something...

 

[clickclickboom]

hey pu$sies stop whining I was probably the first one to return my card and donate $100 to the jbpa drive. Even though I have always been a non union kind of guy I do see the merits of an in house organization of the jetblue pilots.

Lets face it we are a dynamic group of pilots here and currently based on the outlook, cash, and major legacy pullbacks we are more than likely to survive and grow as a result to become a better company.

I for one and thankful just to be employed. I feel that many on this board just dont see the magnitude of the current world crisis.. This is not just a USA problem.. International airlines will be dropping like flies in the next 24 months. We all face a crappy outlook.

Lets pull together get the job done and make this a better place. While I want to see jetblue succeed we all need to step back take a look at the kids and wife and put things into perspective.. There will be thousands of pilots just like you and I that will be out of work. I know the challenges of running a household and the sacrifices we all make. I dont wish that on my worst enemy

 

[imacdog]

What a huge 'thank you!' for your service!

They made their bed, they can lay in it.

 

[waveflyer]

hey pu$sies stop whining I was probably the first one to return my card and donate $100 to the jbpa drive. Even though I have always been a non union kind of guy I do see the merits of an in house organization of the jetblue pilots.

Lets face it we are a dynamic group of pilots here and currently based on the outlook, cash, and major legacy pullbacks we are more than likely to survive and grow as a result to become a better company.

I for one and thankful just to be employed. I feel that many on this board just dont see the magnitude of the current world crisis.. This is not just a USA problem.. International airlines will be dropping like flies in the next 24 months. We all face a crappy outlook.

Lets pull together get the job done and make this a better place. While I want to see jetblue succeed we all need to step back take a look at the kids and wife and put things into perspective.. There will be thousands of pilots just like you and I that will be out of work. I know the challenges of running a household and the sacrifices we all make. I dont wish that on my worst enemy

you call people pu$$ies and then write that?

Here's the gut-check- your company is asking you to be non-union: meaning: even though they have a contract w/ every entity they do business with- they don't feel the need to have one with you.

How do you feel about that? How do you reconcile that w/ the fact that WN is unionized to the highest level of any airline? Could it be they aren't afraid of keeping their promises....

 

[highsky]

New Pay Rates effective Sept 1. Pay over 70 hours paid at 1.5 base pay rate...

A-320 Capt/FO
1 110 40
2 119 57
3 121 67
4 124 75
5 127 79
6 128 81
7 131 82
8 132 84
9 134 86
10 137 87
11 140 89
12 147 91

E-190 Capt/Fo
1 88 40
2 90 53
3 92 55
4 94 58
5 96 61
6 98 62
7 100 64
8 102 65
9 104 66
10 106 68
11 108 69
12 110 70

Congratulations on the pay raise. Don't stop there.

I'm not trying to be a tool. I'm just trying to be real. Although your pay raise is a step in the right direction, you have a long way to go to meet, but better yet, RAISE the bar.

I'm in my 2nd year at a major cargo airline. I make 220% of what you make. Again, I'm not trying to be a dikc, I'm just saying that the bar has been set, and it's YOUR job, and the job of EVERY succeeding union to RAISE the bar for ALL of us.

You guys need to organize. You're fooling yourselves if you think you can even meet the bar without a union.

No...most unions are not getting what they deserve right now. BUT...until ALL of us get on board with the program, we are dooemed to allow some two-bit, half-ass new-comer pilot, non-unionized pilot group establish the Bar for the rest of us.

"Either we all hang together, or we all hang separately."

--Benjamin Franklin

 

[highsky]

......

 

[Cobra17]

Congratulations on the pay raise. Don't stop there.

I'm not trying to be a tool. I'm just trying to be real. Although your pay raise is a step in the right direction, you have a long way to go to meet, but better yet, RAISE the bar.

I'm in my 2nd year at a major cargo airline. I make 220% of what you make. Again, I'm not trying to be a dikc, I'm just saying that the bar has been set, and it's YOUR job, and the job of EVERY succeeding union to RAISE the bar for ALL of us.

You guys need to organize. You're fooling yourselves if you think you can even meet the bar without a union.

No...most unions are not getting what they deserve right now. BUT...until ALL of us get on board with the program, we are dooemed to allow some two-bit, half-ass new-comer pilot, non-unionized pilot group establish the Bar for the rest of us.

"Either we all hang together, or we all hang separately."

--Benjamin Franklin

Nice quote....so you're saying you're willing to risk your 220% and join your brother on the picket line?

 

[8vATE]

JB mgmt. can go straight to h e l l.

YEA!

It's the worst place on the planet to work.

So they gave some guys a 1% raise.
Some a 5%.
And some a 10%.

Wow..

Unprecedented.

A union would solve ALL of our problems.

 

[Jungle Prop]

and some 0%

 

[Blue Dude]

The 1% and 0% guys actually got a pay cut. The 5% guys held even for about a year and a half. And the 10% guys, the E190 captains, were already criminally underpaid, and in fact still are. By the company's own admission, this "raise" was cost neutral, meaning that they're not spending anything on us that they weren't before, because they're cutting in other areas. Still think we got a screaming good deal? Wake up, man.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

I'm fine with a union. Lay off about 200-300 guys, who will get a 100% pay cut for our pay raises (cost neutral). Oh by the way, then bump the guys down from Capt to FO on the 320 and 190 and then see what their pay cut will also be. Sometimes, status-quo is not a bad thing!!!

 

[PCL_128]

I'm fine with a union. Lay off about 200-300 guys, who will get a 100% pay cut for our pay raises (cost neutral). Oh by the way, then bump the guys down from Capt to FO on the 320 and 190 and then see what their pay cut will also be. Sometimes, status-quo is not a bad thing!!!

Why on Earth do you believe this crazy idea that a union would mean furloughs?

 

[a320drivr]

Look at what hes flown. He is a military guy. They typically dont like unions.

 

[PCL_128]

Look at what hes flown. He is a military guy. They typically dont like unions.

That's usually true when they first leave the military, but after a few years at the airlines, they're usually some of the strongest union supporters.

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

Let's see, as far as passenger carriers go but for SWA, what unionized carrier isn't furloughing coming this fall? Military or not, I'm not naive. I just look at the facts. A union on this property would mean the company has no obligation but to our contract we negotiate with them. They'll be happy to give us our pay/benefit increases-- and us senior guys will be happy for it too. There will have to be some give and take of course; the company is drastically reducing our schedule this fall-- they don't need about 200 pilots I figure. So, bub-bye!!! We'll get ours, the company will be happy, and then the stage is set for displaced pilots in our ranks. 320/190 Capts down to FO, see what kind of pay cut that'll be!!!

 

[PCL_128]

Let's see, as far as passenger carriers go but for SWA, what unionized carrier isn't furloughing coming this fall?

So you admit that the most heavily unionized carrier in airline history isn't furloughing, despite their unions? Just making sure.

Military or not, I'm not naive. I just look at the facts. A union on this property would mean the company has no obligation but to our contract we negotiate with them. They'll be happy to give us our pay/benefit increases-- and us senior guys will be happy for it too. There will have to be some give and take of course; the company is drastically reducing our schedule this fall-- they don't need about 200 pilots I figure. So, bub-bye!!! We'll get ours, the company will be happy, and then the stage is set for displaced pilots in our ranks. 320/190 Capts down to FO, see what kind of pay cut that'll be!!!

None of what you just observed will change if you have a union or not. A schedule reduction is a schedule reduction. Either you need the pilots or you don't. The union being on property doesn't change that fact. Stop drinking the kool aid.

 

[radarlove]

The Delta flight attendants also think they don't need a union. I'm waiting for the fur to fly when the Northwest Flight attendants eat their lunch for them.

How, exactly, is a pilot better off without a coalition behind him?

You guys are nuts. Simple strategy shows that you're all better off banded together, even for such simple things as discipline proceedings and grievances. How do those work at JBLU now? "Pretty please, don't suspend me?"

Legal representation in front of the FAA, medical representation in front of the FAA, seniority list protection against another union carrier, scheduling rules that can be codified...again, how are you better off without this stuff?

You don't have to even raise costs, just collecting common dues and putting a structure in place to protect the most vulnerable among you, like the guy who just lost his medical, or the guy that busted an RSVM airspace altitude, or even the guy that the Chief Pilot thinks is an ass and should get some time off to think about his attitude...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Let's see, as far as passenger carriers go but for SWA, what unionized carrier isn't furloughing coming this fall? Military or not, I'm not naive. I just look at the facts. A union on this property would mean the company has no obligation but to our contract we negotiate with them. They'll be happy to give us our pay/benefit increases-- and us senior guys will be happy for it too. There will have to be some give and take of course; the company is drastically reducing our schedule this fall-- they don't need about 200 pilots I figure. So, bub-bye!!! We'll get ours, the company will be happy, and then the stage is set for displaced pilots in our ranks. 320/190 Capts down to FO, see what kind of pay cut that'll be!!!

You serve your country to defend the constitution and democracy..... only to be a jB pilot and reject democracy? Why all that personal sacrifice only to reject your rights?

Please don't tell me that I, a civilian only, appreciate and am more grateful to you, than you, for protecting liberty, freedom, democracy and self governance