jetblue pay increase

[flaps30]

Jetblue just got pay raises, 5-10% except for the top 10% which got 1%. What has your Union done for you ?

 

[Jungle Prop]

Hey Flaps 30, 5-10% of crap is still crap. If they were hoping to avoid a union they failed mightily! All this did was help the fence sitters come on over. I'm glad you got yours though and the F/O's get crap.

 

[aewanabe]

Unless you're a new-hire, in which case your first year just got a ********************-load worse. But hey, since we all get to retire at 65 now instead of 60 at least there's no more need for the company to worry about bridging the gap to Medicare! I'm not impressed.

 

[rydog]

Lets see, free medical, um.... 40% pay bump for FOs as of the december IBB. Not too shabby

 

[StarChecker]

What has your Union done for you ?

Easy words from the left seat of the Bus...something a lot of us won't see except when your fat a$$ lifts to fart.

This "response" is an embarrassment. We are expected to go above and beyond every day...yet the company's STATED policy (read Dave's letter he sent home) is to pay mediocre/industry standard at best.

Why can't we pay above and beyond just as we are expected to perform above and beyond?

Think SWA, DAL, AA guys are cleaning dirty diapers out of seat back pockets?? They all make more than us and have better retirement/health care.

Case closed...

 

[FADEC]

Easy words from the left seat of the Bus...something a lot of us won't see except when your fat a$$ lifts to fart.

This "response" is an embarrassment. We are expected to go above and beyond every day...yet the company's STATED policy (read Dave's letter he sent home) is to pay mediocre/industry standard at best.

Why can't we pay above and beyond just as we are expected to perform above and beyond?

Think SWA, DAL, AA guys are cleaning dirty diapers out of seat back pockets?? They all make more than us and have better retirement/health care.

Case closed...

Whilst I agree with your sentiment I must say that I don't and will not clean clean the aircraft. I was hired to fly, load the FMS and do walk arounds. Stop cleaning the goddamn plane its not your job.

 

[clickclickboom]

Guys when you get on the gate run the checklists pull out and do the ops for the next leg spin the ir's the plane will miracuously already be cleaned. At that point smile at the fa's and ask them if you can pick them up dinner while they board and you will be " one of the good guys " every time. Works like a champ

 

[Dizel8]

Hey Flapper 30,

Why don't you tell the class the whole story.

PS. Tell Dave,Chew, JR and Vinny I said hello and that that they can go do something humanly impossible!

 

[johnsonrod]

What's up with some junior Airbus pilots getting no raise? That seriously makes no sense to me. I would be getting my 737 type and applying to SWA like everyone else (and then wait in line forever) or applying to Netjets (and waiting in line forever) if that happened to me.... That's like giving only a few of your kids Christmas presents. Times are tough for EVERYBODY...

 

[a320drivr]

JB mgmt. can suck my pole!!! Especially you JR and VS. And DB, I hope you and Russ enjoy you raises and $12,000 a month housing allowance and your love pad at the Trump Plaza.

 

[monkeybrains01]

A little off topic, but since were talkin about JB...what is the deal with the GREAT DAY!!! guy, had to follow him across the country for the 2nd time in 3 months and came dangerously close to killing myself. Obviously compensating for something. I feel sorry for his f/o's

 

[a320drivr]

He found God a few yrs ago. Total tool.

 

[Longhorn]

Jetblue just got pay raises, 5-10% except for the top 10% which got 1%. What has your Union done for you ?

How out of touch are you. I can only hope you are a senior 320CA, at least you would have an excuse for your post....and even with that, many of the 320 CA's I know are very PISSED OFF

 

[PCL_128]

Dang, the mood at Blue seems to have changed quite a bit lately. Sorry that morale is so bad, but I'm glad that you guys are so gung-ho for a union.

 

[8vATE]

Jeez...

Reality check...

Go vote for a union if you want.
Maybe it's the way to go.

But don't think for a second it's going to be a magical fairy tale solution.

Better let.. go to work for a real airline. Like DAL, AMR, UAL, US, NWA or better yet... hit the lottery and go to UPS/SWA/FDX.

JetBlue management listened to the pilot group and probably did about the best they could in this current climate. You have mediocre medical, middle of the road retirement and a committment to never furlough.

I really wonder why some of you guys are whining SO LOUDLY... maybe there are ulterior motives, ego/political power trip wannabes.... Maybe some of you just want to beat your chest about how Jetblue is all about screwing up your life.

Take a look around.... Open your frackin' eyes up.

This place isn't perfect but it doesn't deserve a lot of this nasty rhetoric.

And yes I'm an A320 captain... I've also flown for the commuters, a major freight carrier (now shutting down) and an international major (furloughed).

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

I really wonder why some of you guys are whining SO LOUDLY...

Well, that's what pilots do.

I especially like the guy complaining about helping the FA's clean. WE"RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO IT. So quit doing it, or quit complaining about it.

There's nothing to be mad about in this compensation review. There are issues that won't and can't legally be addressed without a CBA. The pay scales did increase, so it just provides a stronger base on which JBPA can build. Send in your card and chill out.

 

[Beechnut]

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[Beechnut]

Jetblue just got pay raises, 5-10% except for the top 10% which got 1%. What has your Union done for you ?

YOU mayhave received a raise, but I sure as hell didn't. In fact, with the loss of pay if I get sick, I just took a pay cut.

S.

 

[On Your Six]

YOU mayhave received a raise, but I sure as hell didn't. In fact, with the loss of pay if I get sick, I just took a pay cut.

S.

This inequity in terms of pay raise sounds like the biggest bonehead move I have heard in awhile. Sure, the industry is imploding and there isn't much cash available. That said, don't distribute it unless you can distribute it equitably to the entire group. Excluding certain pilots can lead to serious morale deflation - and that ain't good in a service business...

 

[donvag]

Ladies and gentlemen the E-190 is officially B-scale pay. Now I understand why our guys have problems jumpseating on NW

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

Ladies and gentlemen the E-190 is officially B-scale pay. Now I understand why our guys have problems jumpseating on NW

a 10% raise for E190 captains and 5% for the FO's and "now" it's a B-scale?

What are you talking about?

 

[FADEC]

He found God a few yrs ago. Total tool.

I flew with him a few times when I was a bus FO. Whilst a little weird and definitely into the god thing he actually was a nice guy who even went out for a few beers. Even though he was a born again not once did he talk to me about religion. Lucky for him because I grew up in Northern Ireland and I would quickly tell you where you can stick your born again ********************e!!!

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

I flew with him a few times when I was a bus FO. Whilst a little weird and definitely into the god thing he actually was a nice guy who even went out for a few beers. Even though he was a born again not once did he talk to me about religion. Lucky for him because I grew up in Northern Ireland and I would quickly tell you where you can stick your born again ********************e!!!

I agree. Nice guy. Doesn't talk about his religion.

 

[Jet41]

Better let.. go to work for a real airline. Like DAL, AMR, UAL, US, NWA or better yet...

UAL, US or NWA? You're kidding right?

Though I agree with most you have to say.

 

[Wheres the van?]

It takes a particular brand of narcissist pilot to complain about how little they got,whilst others on the LCC/National forum are trying to figure out what to do about there airlines impending demise or furlough.

 

[aerobato]

Dang, the mood at Blue seems to have changed quite a bit lately. Sorry that morale is so bad, but I'm glad that you guys are so gung-ho for a union.

Don't judge the mood at JetBlue from the 6 bitter toolbags that post on this site and Bluepilots. Those guys just need something to complain about. I think it's great that we got anything in this industry right now.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

YOU mayhave received a raise, but I sure as hell didn't. In fact, with the loss of pay if I get sick, I just took a pay cut.

S.

Finger needs to be pointed at the pilots on that one. Were you one of the 25% of lineholders that use sick time every single month? The pilots play the safety card to claim that sick time needs to be paid at premium rates and then take advantage and exploit the system. Backfired.

 

[On Your Six]

Don't judge the mood at JetBlue from the 6 bitter toolbags that post on this site and Bluepilots. Those guys just need something to complain about. I think it's great that we got anything in this industry right now.

Let me guess, you weren't one of the pilots who got squat?

 

[AKAAB]

Finger needs to be pointed at the pilots on that one. Were you one of the 25% of lineholders that use sick time every single month? The pilots play the safety card to claim that sick time needs to be paid at premium rates and then take advantage and exploit the system. Backfired.

You got it bass-ackwards. The inequity between PTO (regular time off at base rate) and PTS (sick time at premium rate) pay rates is what compelled guys to use PTS. PTO and PTS should both count towards premium pay, period. The pay penalty for asking for a day off versus just calling in sick made it a simple business/income decision.

Couple the pay issue with the lack of ability to PTO due to a lack of reserves (until recently, of course) and you have to expect guys to burn their sick time.

 

[Blue Dude]

Finger needs to be pointed at the pilots on that one. Were you one of the 25% of lineholders that use sick time every single month? The pilots play the safety card to claim that sick time needs to be paid at premium rates and then take advantage and exploit the system. Backfired.

I didn't read it that way. I thought they meant that 25% of all pilots use PTS in a given month, not that 25% of pilots use PTS every month. There's a big difference, and I don't know which is accurate. I think you're meant to assume that 25% of the pilots abuse the system, thus justifying their coming-from-left-field safety downgrade.

And for all those out there who think that complaining about JB's new pay scale is in bad taste: I'm willing to bet that you at least have a COLA even now to adjust your current rates for inflation. JB pilots have taken continuous pay cuts for seven years, even in the good times, and the hope was that we'd at least make the same as we did last year. Some do, some make more, and some make less. With the changes to PTO and reserve, this "raise" is cost neutral, meaning that overall we're still taking a continuous inflation-driven pay cut. Seven years of continuous pay cuts, folks.

Yes, that's better than losing our jobs, but that's not an either/or proposition. If the conditions are such that even keeping up with inflation is going to cause layoffs, we're already doomed.

The real disappointment comes with the pervasive message we've been getting that this time, *this time*, we'll take care of you and make things right. There were hundreds of man-hours of research done to determine where industry average is (the current downtrodden average), and this "raise" is already being spun as meeting that average, when it does nothing of the kind. It's the sheer insult to our collective intelligence that causes the anger, not that the pay raise itself falls short.