jetblue pay increase

[Hair-on-Fire]

Ladies and gentlemen the E-190 is officially B-scale pay. Now I understand why our guys have problems jumpseating on NW

a 10% raise for E190 captains and 5% for the FO's and "now" it's a B-scale?

What are you talking about?

 

[FADEC]

He found God a few yrs ago. Total tool.

I flew with him a few times when I was a bus FO. Whilst a little weird and definitely into the god thing he actually was a nice guy who even went out for a few beers. Even though he was a born again not once did he talk to me about religion. Lucky for him because I grew up in Northern Ireland and I would quickly tell you where you can stick your born again ********************e!!!

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

I flew with him a few times when I was a bus FO. Whilst a little weird and definitely into the god thing he actually was a nice guy who even went out for a few beers. Even though he was a born again not once did he talk to me about religion. Lucky for him because I grew up in Northern Ireland and I would quickly tell you where you can stick your born again ********************e!!!

I agree. Nice guy. Doesn't talk about his religion.

 

[Jet41]

Better let.. go to work for a real airline. Like DAL, AMR, UAL, US, NWA or better yet...

UAL, US or NWA? You're kidding right?

Though I agree with most you have to say.

 

[Wheres the van?]

It takes a particular brand of narcissist pilot to complain about how little they got,whilst others on the LCC/National forum are trying to figure out what to do about there airlines impending demise or furlough.

 

[aerobato]

Dang, the mood at Blue seems to have changed quite a bit lately. Sorry that morale is so bad, but I'm glad that you guys are so gung-ho for a union.

Don't judge the mood at JetBlue from the 6 bitter toolbags that post on this site and Bluepilots. Those guys just need something to complain about. I think it's great that we got anything in this industry right now.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

YOU mayhave received a raise, but I sure as hell didn't. In fact, with the loss of pay if I get sick, I just took a pay cut.

S.

Finger needs to be pointed at the pilots on that one. Were you one of the 25% of lineholders that use sick time every single month? The pilots play the safety card to claim that sick time needs to be paid at premium rates and then take advantage and exploit the system. Backfired.

 

[On Your Six]

Don't judge the mood at JetBlue from the 6 bitter toolbags that post on this site and Bluepilots. Those guys just need something to complain about. I think it's great that we got anything in this industry right now.

Let me guess, you weren't one of the pilots who got squat?

 

[AKAAB]

Finger needs to be pointed at the pilots on that one. Were you one of the 25% of lineholders that use sick time every single month? The pilots play the safety card to claim that sick time needs to be paid at premium rates and then take advantage and exploit the system. Backfired.

You got it bass-ackwards. The inequity between PTO (regular time off at base rate) and PTS (sick time at premium rate) pay rates is what compelled guys to use PTS. PTO and PTS should both count towards premium pay, period. The pay penalty for asking for a day off versus just calling in sick made it a simple business/income decision.

Couple the pay issue with the lack of ability to PTO due to a lack of reserves (until recently, of course) and you have to expect guys to burn their sick time.

 

[Blue Dude]

Finger needs to be pointed at the pilots on that one. Were you one of the 25% of lineholders that use sick time every single month? The pilots play the safety card to claim that sick time needs to be paid at premium rates and then take advantage and exploit the system. Backfired.

I didn't read it that way. I thought they meant that 25% of all pilots use PTS in a given month, not that 25% of pilots use PTS every month. There's a big difference, and I don't know which is accurate. I think you're meant to assume that 25% of the pilots abuse the system, thus justifying their coming-from-left-field safety downgrade.

And for all those out there who think that complaining about JB's new pay scale is in bad taste: I'm willing to bet that you at least have a COLA even now to adjust your current rates for inflation. JB pilots have taken continuous pay cuts for seven years, even in the good times, and the hope was that we'd at least make the same as we did last year. Some do, some make more, and some make less. With the changes to PTO and reserve, this "raise" is cost neutral, meaning that overall we're still taking a continuous inflation-driven pay cut. Seven years of continuous pay cuts, folks.

Yes, that's better than losing our jobs, but that's not an either/or proposition. If the conditions are such that even keeping up with inflation is going to cause layoffs, we're already doomed.

The real disappointment comes with the pervasive message we've been getting that this time, *this time*, we'll take care of you and make things right. There were hundreds of man-hours of research done to determine where industry average is (the current downtrodden average), and this "raise" is already being spun as meeting that average, when it does nothing of the kind. It's the sheer insult to our collective intelligence that causes the anger, not that the pay raise itself falls short.

 

[Caveman]

I didn't read it that way. I thought they meant that 25% of all pilots use PTS in a given month, not that 25% of pilots use PTS every month. There's a big difference, and I don't know which is accurate. I think you're meant to assume that 25% of the pilots abuse the system, thus justifying their coming-from-left-field safety downgrade.

And for all those out there who think that complaining about JB's new pay scale is in bad taste: I'm willing to bet that you at least have a COLA even now to adjust your current rates for inflation. JB pilots have taken continuous pay cuts for seven years, even in the good times, and the hope was that we'd at least make the same as we did last year. Some do, some make more, and some make less. With the changes to PTO and reserve, this "raise" is cost neutral, meaning that overall we're still taking a continuous inflation-driven pay cut. Seven years of continuous pay cuts, folks.

Yes, that's better than losing our jobs, but that's not an either/or proposition. If the conditions are such that even keeping up with inflation is going to cause layoffs, we're already doomed.

The real disappointment comes with the pervasive message we've been getting that this time, *this time*, we'll take care of you and make things right. There were hundreds of man-hours of research done to determine where industry average is (the current downtrodden average), and this "raise" is already being spun as meeting that average, when it does nothing of the kind. It's the sheer insult to our collective intelligence that causes the anger, not that the pay raise itself falls short.

Well said. I agree completely. With the industry in the state it is in I wasn't expecting much. What I wanted was an aknowledgement that our PCRB report was valid and a timeline for fixing it. I'm an adult. I can handle bad news. What I will not tolerate is being treated like an idiot. That's why I'm pissed.

 

[Jungle Prop]

100% on the money Caveman. Don't tell me I'm paid industry average. Tell me the results of the PCRB are valid and when we make a profit you will address it in a proper way. Take your 4% and shove it.

 

[PCL_128]

Don't judge the mood at JetBlue from the 6 bitter toolbags that post on this site and Bluepilots. Those guys just need something to complain about. I think it's great that we got anything in this industry right now.

I prefer their attitude to yours. You seem like someone that's willing to just bend over and take whatever they "graciously" hand to you. Just because the rest of the industry is having problems doesn't mean that you are worth any less. Have some self-respect and demand what you deserve. Those new payrates aren't even close to what you deserve.

 

[StarChecker]

It's the sheer insult to our collective intelligence that causes the anger, not that the pay raise itself falls short.

BINGO!

Well said...

 

[clickclickboom]

Actually I would love to make the PCRB 77 page results available to all pilot groups.. It was truly one of the most impressive industry alalysis that i have seen and on par with a document that would be presented to the chairman of a fortune 500 company.

Our PCRG labored to present the data and the company in my opinion did the best they could given current economic trends. It would have been fair for everyone to see an increase in my opinion. I would have happily sacrificed a portion of my 4% raise, ( 8% if your count longevity ) to see my brothers in other positions see an increase as well.