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http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2008-06-20-upset-united-pilot_N.htm
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United canceled a flight from Salt Lake City Thursday afternoon after the pilot announced to passengers that he was too upset to fly, according to one passenger on board.
The pilot, who may have been involved in a labor-related dispute with colleagues, said that he didn't feel he could fly safely, said Paul Jacobson, an energy company executive who was aboard United Flight 416 to Denver.
United spokeswoman Robin Urbanski said in an e-mailed statement that the flight was canceled according to company procedures designed to ensure flight crews are prepared to fly. The airline re-accommodated its customers on other flights and will give them "goodwill gestures," which may include miles and travel certificates, she said.
Urbanski declined to identify the pilot or provide details of the incident, but she did not dispute the passenger's account.
"We will conduct a full investigation of the events leading up to the cancellation and take appropriate, necessary action," she wrote in the e-mail.

David Kelly, a spokesman for the Air Line Pilots Association, which represents United pilots, said the union won't comment on the incident.
The Federal Aviation Administration says it's up to the airlines to determine when and how pilots can walk away from the cockpit if they feel unfit to fly. "But we'd expect that if the pilots aren't fit to fly, they would not fly," said FAA spokeswoman Alison Duquette.
Jacobson said he saw the pilot in a heated cellphone conversation at the gate before he boarded, and overheard the pilot saying that "he was going to complain to the union."
After the passengers were seated, the pilot made his announcement.
"I'm roughly paraphrasing here, but the pilot came on the PA and said, 'some of you may have witnessed an incident I was involved in at the gate. I'm not going to go into the details, but it was an interpersonal confrontation that upset me significantly to the point where I'm not focused enough to fly you to Denver. I feel like I may not be calmed and focused enough to fly to Denver for another hour,' " Jacobson said.
The passengers reacted to the pilot's announcement with a collective groan. "I'm going to give him credit for standing in front of people and saying that," Jacobson added. "Still it was a very unusual situation."
Passengers were allowed to get off the plane until it was ready to leave, and most people did so after the announcement, Jacobson said.
Jacobson said another passenger questioned the crew and that passenger told him the incident stemmed from crewmembers from another United flight observing the pilot wearing his hat. United's pilots union has been urging pilots to remove their hats when they "are likely to be viewed by management," as a form of protest, according to a notice on ALPA's website.
"In the concourse, on the jetway, wherever. Show solidarity with your fellow pilots, show management our solidarity. Don't wear your hat," it says.
In a statement dated Jan. 15, the union instructed members to adopt the practice because "now is the time to show management that this pilot group is serious about regaining what was stripped from us during bankruptcy."
Hundreds of United employees, including pilots, flight attendants and machinists, rallied last week in Southern California to protest the management's decision to set aside stock worth about $130 million to fund a new incentive plan for executives while the company plans to cut routes and lay off up to 1,600 employees.
"I fly United a lot and I understand that they're operating under difficult circumstances. And they do a good job. But it's one thing to suffer from mechanical failure or bad weather, but it's quite another when internal strife rises to flight cancellation," Jacobson said.
He called his corporate travel manager, who rebooked him on a Southwest flight. United informed Jacobson that he will be reimbursed for the leg of the trip, about $120.
 
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...the incident stemmed from crewmembers from another United flight observing the pilot wearing his hat.

United's pilots union has been urging pilots to remove their hats when they "are likely to be viewed by management," as a form of protest, according to a notice on ALPA's website.

Hold on...let me get this straight....

United Alpa actually put out a notice in direct conflict with a company policy? Wearing your hat?

And then a crew member gave the pilot in question a hard time about wearing his hat, and it resulted in the story we've read? Have I got this right???

PLEASE tell me there is more substance here...PLEASE!
 
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Maybe a UAL pro-management scab with thin skin got upset when somebody gave him a hard time about wearing the hat?
 
Boy, if ALPA had as much backbone with management as they did with this pilot, we'd all be wearing hats.

BTW, Southwest called. They said thank you.
 
Hold on...let me get this straight....

United Alpa actually put out a notice in direct conflict with a company policy? Wearing your hat?

And then a crew member gave the pilot in question a hard time about wearing his hat, and it resulted in the story we've read? Have I got this right???

PLEASE tell me there is more substance here...PLEASE!

There was an entire thread on this subject. Please go back and educate yourself so you won't be stuck "looking for substance."
 
Maybe a UAL pro-management scab with thin skin got upset when somebody gave him a hard time about wearing the hat?

That seems to be what is implied by the article. I was set to defend this guy for standing up for himself and refusing a flight, but if he's a farging d0uchebag that won't stand united with his fellow pilots, then I hope he gets raked over the coals.
 
It absolutely amazes me the amount of people that don't get it. Passengers just don't understand our work- they wouldn't want to get in a car with someone that was "road raging", but they get upset when a pilot says he's too upset to fly and blast through the air in an aluminum tube at 500 MPH in foul weather.

Personally, I think it's great he cancelled the flight. I hope management starts getting the picture that the pilots- not management- run an airline. United management is finally starting to reap what they have sewn. God bless the United pilots and a much deserved salute for standing up for yourselves.
 
If I have to start wearing my hat I may be too upset to fly also.

DTW320
NWA

319,

I better not hear about you "cryin" when you have to wear your hat and Russian Sub Commander uniform at Delta......don't worry though, the chicks dig it....


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
If I have to start wearing my hat I may be too upset to fly also.

DTW320
NWA

I wouldn't worry too much. Just jumpseated on DAL this week, and neither the FO nor the Captain were wearing their hats. In fact, the FO was complete slob. Shirt was half un-tucked, tie was three inches too short, and his hair looked like it hadn't been combed in decades. He was one of the guys hired in the past year. Looks like the widget-heads have allowed their uniform standards to slip.
 
I believe this is the most retarded thing I've ever read. Airline pilots are always sending a "message" to a management that will NEVER get the message. Even if it were likely that they got it, are hats the best conduit for that message?

PCL,

You are such a badass for standing up to people that roll over for mgt for crazy $hit like wearing hats. I would put that right up there with crossing a picket line.
 
If the MEC tells you not to wear your hat, then don't wear your fu--ing hat!

Eh you're not gonna stir up any affection for ALPA by making them sound so...Orwellian. The issue is not whether you're "obeying" your MEC. If a guy is wearing his hat cuz he thinks it looks spiffy, whatever. If the guy is wearing his hat to basically say he's a management stooge, well I can't much blame other pilots for treating him as such.
 
I believe this is the most retarded thing I've ever read. Airline pilots are always sending a "message" to a management that will NEVER get the message. Even if it were likely that they got it, are hats the best conduit for that message?

United pilots have a pretty lengthy history of successfully tangling with hostile management. They've done a heck of a lot more to raise the bar over their history than, say, SWA pilots. I'm not knocking SWA pilots, just pointing out that you've been blessed with enlightened and competent management up until now. UA pilots have had to fight for everything they've achieved... and that experience has taught them what works and what doesn't. However trivial the "hat switch" is to you, the United MEC knows from experience that management is paying very close attention to the level of unity in the ranks. 1985 was 23 years ago but it's still fresh in many minds on both sides of the table.
 

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