Thank you ALPA

[wscrj]

Ocity...that's one of the most refreshing and depressing posts I've read on this site, ever.

Spot on. Why are we (pilots) so slow to grasp these simple facts?

 

[buckeyes95]

ALPA lost its way years ago. We need a new national union. One with the guts to call a national strike and shut down the system. We have all invested a very large sum of money in our profession. It's time we started to get paid and treated like professionals again.

 

[JohnQ]

Ocity...that's one of the most refreshing and depressing posts I've read on this site, ever.

Spot on. Why are we (pilots) so slow to grasp these simple facts?

Because these simple facts involve accepting that life is not fair, and sometimes there are no easy answers.

It is far easier (and let's admit it, more fun) to just blame ALPA for everything. That way you don't have to accept any sense of responsibility for your environment and you can blame all career shortcomings elsewhere.

It is nothing more than the "slippery slope" logical fallacy, which we all should have studied as undergraduates. This fallacy, often seen in politics, states, if we just do this one thing (vote for my opponent, vote for this bill, confirm this Supreme Court nominee, etc) then this will happen, this will happen, and the whole world will go to hell in a handbasket.

Or, the other side of the same fallacy is, "if we just oust worthless ALPA, then we are cleared direct to the yellow brick road of a perfect change-free career to a golden retirement."

If only it were that easy.

 

[SimHo]

Age 65. Congress voted UNANIMOUSLY to pass it. Has everything to do with the PBGC being stuck with Billions of dollars in failed pensions and ZERO to do with the concerns of ALPA or SWAPA.



WRONG
ALPA had everything to do with the age 65 bill being passed WHEN it did! The bill may have passed sometime in the future but ALPA (Prater and his regime) were the ones who pushed it through now

 

[800Dog]

What have you ALPA bashers done to make ALPA or the profession stronger? Cannot wait to hear! You suggest a new union will make things better. Why not get off your keyboard, attend LEC meetings and promote real change within your current union. My guess, you are too lazy. It is easy to bitch and moan here but it takes real effort to make structural changes to our cause. Refocus your attacks on those who wish for our demise!!

 

[imacdog]

Name one "successful" pilot union out there. Just one. Caveat: company fuel hedges don't count as a pilot union success.

Name one.

1108

IPA

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

1108

IPA

UPS pilots?

care to provide a comparison of the recent UPS and FedEx contracts? Discuss the voting percentages....

 

[imacdog]

Because one may be better in some aspects, does that make the other one not successful? How does your contract compare with UPS?

 

[SimHo]

What have you ALPA bashers done to make ALPA or the profession stronger? Cannot wait to hear! You suggest a new union will make things better. Why not get off your keyboard, attend LEC meetings and promote real change within your current union. My guess, you are too lazy. It is easy to bitch and moan here but it takes real effort to make structural changes to our cause. Refocus your attacks on those who wish for our demise!!

I just came from a rally June 11th. I am active and will support my companies union but I will NOT support Prater and his regime. He has done more in his short term to UNunify ALPA than any previous ALPA president in the 10 years I have been a part of it.

 

[JoeMerchant]

UPS pilots?

care to provide a comparison of the recent UPS and FedEx contracts? Discuss the voting percentages....

The 3 best airlines right now are UPS, FedEx, and SWA....Only one is ALPA....What do all 3 have in common? They make money....

First step in getting a good contract is working for a company that makes money....ALPA or not.....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Because one may be better in some aspects, does that make the other one not successful? How does your contract compare with UPS?

I asked you to conduct a comparison and suggested you look at voting percentages to indicate how amicable the CBA's were to each pilot group, thus making it easy for you...

Then you try and deflect by trying to ask about my CBA.

Stay focused...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I just came from a rally June 11th. I am active and will support my companies union but I will NOT support Prater and his regime. He has done more in his short term to UNunify ALPA than any previous ALPA president in the 10 years I have been a part of it.

That maybe.... but keep in mind, many had to have anyone but DW... and they got it... who do we blame for that one?

 

[imacdog]

WTF do I care about the differences. UPS is a desirable job because of the contract their pilot union negotiated, just like FedEx is a desirable job because of the contract their pilot union negotiated. When you get your NW contract in gear, let us know. Stop being so defensive and realize there are certain arguments you simply aren't going to win. Good luck with the merger, hope you don't get furloughed.

 

[Ocity]

ALPA lost its way years ago. We need a new national union. One with the guts to call a national strike and shut down the system. We have all invested a very large sum of money in our profession. It's time we started to get paid and treated like professionals again.

Great, ALPA will be sued out of existence and all of the National leaders will do time in prison. Do you actually believe this could happen?

Tell me which "new" national union will be immune to the RLA? Which union will control Congress? Which union has the "guts to shut down the system"? Again, stop the delusions and figure this sh*t out. Nobody that receives a "by the hour" paycheck, is ever going to influence airline management. They don't care, and the law clearly says that they don't have to. It sucks, but burying your head in the sand isn't a defensible argument.

 

[Ocity]

Age 65. Congress voted UNANIMOUSLY to pass it. Has everything to do with the PBGC being stuck with Billions of dollars in failed pensions and ZERO to do with the concerns of ALPA or SWAPA.



WRONG
ALPA had everything to do with the age 65 bill being passed WHEN it did! The bill may have passed sometime in the future but ALPA (Prater and his regime) were the ones who pushed it through now

Prove it. Is it your belief that SWAPA had no bearing on the bills passage?