Thank you ALPA

[imacdog]

Name one "successful" pilot union out there. Just one. Caveat: company fuel hedges don't count as a pilot union success.

Name one.

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IPA

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

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IPA

UPS pilots?

care to provide a comparison of the recent UPS and FedEx contracts? Discuss the voting percentages....

 

[imacdog]

Because one may be better in some aspects, does that make the other one not successful? How does your contract compare with UPS?

 

[SimHo]

What have you ALPA bashers done to make ALPA or the profession stronger? Cannot wait to hear! You suggest a new union will make things better. Why not get off your keyboard, attend LEC meetings and promote real change within your current union. My guess, you are too lazy. It is easy to bitch and moan here but it takes real effort to make structural changes to our cause. Refocus your attacks on those who wish for our demise!!

I just came from a rally June 11th. I am active and will support my companies union but I will NOT support Prater and his regime. He has done more in his short term to UNunify ALPA than any previous ALPA president in the 10 years I have been a part of it.

 

[JoeMerchant]

UPS pilots?

care to provide a comparison of the recent UPS and FedEx contracts? Discuss the voting percentages....

The 3 best airlines right now are UPS, FedEx, and SWA....Only one is ALPA....What do all 3 have in common? They make money....

First step in getting a good contract is working for a company that makes money....ALPA or not.....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Because one may be better in some aspects, does that make the other one not successful? How does your contract compare with UPS?

I asked you to conduct a comparison and suggested you look at voting percentages to indicate how amicable the CBA's were to each pilot group, thus making it easy for you...

Then you try and deflect by trying to ask about my CBA.

Stay focused...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I just came from a rally June 11th. I am active and will support my companies union but I will NOT support Prater and his regime. He has done more in his short term to UNunify ALPA than any previous ALPA president in the 10 years I have been a part of it.

That maybe.... but keep in mind, many had to have anyone but DW... and they got it... who do we blame for that one?

 

[imacdog]

WTF do I care about the differences. UPS is a desirable job because of the contract their pilot union negotiated, just like FedEx is a desirable job because of the contract their pilot union negotiated. When you get your NW contract in gear, let us know. Stop being so defensive and realize there are certain arguments you simply aren't going to win. Good luck with the merger, hope you don't get furloughed.

 

[Ocity]

ALPA lost its way years ago. We need a new national union. One with the guts to call a national strike and shut down the system. We have all invested a very large sum of money in our profession. It's time we started to get paid and treated like professionals again.

Great, ALPA will be sued out of existence and all of the National leaders will do time in prison. Do you actually believe this could happen?

Tell me which "new" national union will be immune to the RLA? Which union will control Congress? Which union has the "guts to shut down the system"? Again, stop the delusions and figure this sh*t out. Nobody that receives a "by the hour" paycheck, is ever going to influence airline management. They don't care, and the law clearly says that they don't have to. It sucks, but burying your head in the sand isn't a defensible argument.

 

[Ocity]

Age 65. Congress voted UNANIMOUSLY to pass it. Has everything to do with the PBGC being stuck with Billions of dollars in failed pensions and ZERO to do with the concerns of ALPA or SWAPA.



WRONG
ALPA had everything to do with the age 65 bill being passed WHEN it did! The bill may have passed sometime in the future but ALPA (Prater and his regime) were the ones who pushed it through now

Prove it. Is it your belief that SWAPA had no bearing on the bills passage?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

WTF do I care about the differences. UPS is a desirable job because of the contract their pilot union negotiated, just like FedEx is a desirable job because of the contract their pilot union negotiated. When you get your NW contract in gear, let us know. Stop being so defensive and realize there are certain arguments you simply aren't going to win. Good luck with the merger, hope you don't get furloughed.

Since this is a thread about ALPA (hating) the point was the IPA pilots hate their contract more than the FedEx pilots...

Simply put... ALPA delivered.

The IPA didn't have the resources and skillset to do so... if they'd been ALPA they'd have pilot favored CBA, not a company CBA. One just needs to look at the FedEx CBA to know...


Thanks... not going to get furloughed...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Great, ALPA will be sued out of existence and all of the National leaders will do time in prison. Do you actually believe this could happen?

Tell me which "new" national union will be immune to the RLA? Which union will control Congress? Which union has the "guts to shut down the system"? Again, stop the delusions and figure this sh*t out. Nobody that receives a "by the hour" paycheck, is ever going to influence airline management. They don't care, and the law clearly says that they don't have to. It sucks, but burying your head in the sand isn't a defensible argument.

It is easier... to blame the organization that is to listen. Blaming management or gov't is futile... and the haters know it... because the haters can't get mgmnt and gov't to even take notice of their fustrations...

 

[Ocity]

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IPA

Come on. Do you really think the Cargo guys made out so well because they've discovered the magic negotiation tactic? The one that ALPA in 7 decades hasn't figured out yet?

If they were losing money, beyond a shadow of a doubt, they'd be just has hosed as the rest of us. Why? Because they're hourly employees thats why. As painful as it is...no different than the other guy with the cool headset...manning the drive-thru at the Burger King. Management makes no differentiation between the two. It's MBA 101.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The sooner we realize it the sooner we can do better...

 

[waveflyer]

Though, if you are an RJ pilot I guess ALPA has been a good deal!!

As if that RJ job could exist outside of UAL w/o YOU voting it there.... :???

could it be that we all were lazy and didn't think long term and didn't participate in alpa and fight the corruption like we should have.

Funny how a democrat is chastising all those on this board for their victim-mentality.

Not a huge alpa fan= but they've generally been the short-sighted version of what YOU wanted.

 

[MD10PLT]

The 3 best airlines right now are UPS, FedEx, and SWA....
Only one is ALPA....
What do all 3 have in common? They make money....

Shack, Even at FedEx pilots are moving backward thanks to ALPA. It's time for all airlines to dump ALPA. Seems the only pilots making progress are the ones with an inhouse union.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

In this business a strong union is very necessary. Without a union and a contract our jobs would be hell. The power of a union delivers time and time again but in the case of ALPA they a fragmented to a point of self distruction. There is some power from within each airline itself, but unless there is a real national strength of unity then there is nothing. Each ALPA member should expect nothng from their union in the next few years. ALPA is nearly powerless to deal with the current situation.

 

[CopilotDoug]

care to provide a comparison of the recent UPS and FedEx contracts?

About as relevent as comparing a Mesa Contract to a Great Lakes Contract.

This presupposes that ALPA and the IPA were up against the same opponent. Two different Unions...Two Different Management Teams...Two different results. Net Result: Both are "good" contracts

because the haters can't get mgmnt and gov't to even take notice of their fustrations...

ALPA is the Bullhorn for the voice of the pilots...and the batteries are dead.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Each ALPA member should expect nothng from their union in the next few years.

Should be ALPA's new motto...

 

[Superpilot92]

YGTBSM....How do you figure being counted as a second class citizen and having your job used as a bargaining chip at the mainline table is "a good deal"....

How can you complain? It was/is your choice not to move on, is it not?