Oberstar

[Dizel8]

Listen to Joe,

Oberstar is a moron, there are a few reason he is against mergers, but the biggest is more "expensive" fares.

He would rather see airlines wallow in and out of Ch.11, than to see reduced capacity and higher fares.

 

[General Lee]

No, they won't.

Wow, you seem pretty sure about it....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Jmoney]

Ahhhh Yes France......where unions actually have a say so in things such as pay, work rules, scope issues etc. Where France told us Iraq would turn into a Civil War and refused to get involved. Where France's economy is booming compared to the USA. Average car in France gets 54.6 miles to the gallon and is a diesel manual. What a terrible country. I mean France actually plans for the future and allows its citizens to have a say in how they are treated by corporations.......Just Terrible. How dare they exist......They do have some hot loose women though, but still thats not a reason to like them, lets nuke them they are horrible.

Once again Jmoney is stroking it to that brilliant an highly intelligent Sean Hanniety !!!

An actual attempt to defend France! That is more than I ever would have hoped for!!!

Where to begin? Let's see-
1-France has just about the highest tax rate in the known universe, (outside of true communism)

2-France will sell absolutely any weapon to absolutely any country (including nuclear enrichment technology-remember those reactors Isreal blew up in Iraq? Mid 80's?- yep-France!)

3-France is also really great at offering military advice (ever since the British kicked the living dog-squeeze out of them at Trafalgar)-they just aren't so great at actually doing anything other than getting into some crap and picking up the red phone to call real countries to come an bail thier butts out (3 times in the 20th century-BTW.)

4-Just look at all the fun they had when they tried to make a french nuclear aircraft carrier sail:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FS_Charles_de_Gaulle
-The damn thing was built with a flight deck that was too short(can you believe that?) It also lost its propeller on sea trials-it had to get towed back to port-FROM STINKING SEA TRIALS-NOT BATTLE!!! These clowns are so incompetent-they are lucky it didn't just blow up!

5-And- My favorite part:
Why do they have a seat on the UN security council? BECAUSE THE ENTIRE WORLD PITIES THEM!!! It certainly is not because they have won any wars in a couple hundred years or so!!! They just get into some crap every once in a whle and whine when they get the dog snot kicked out of them! I guess the UN must value the perspective afforded by consultation with true losers!

-If there is any country anywhere we do not want to emulate, it is France! These putz weasels are truly the scourge of the planet!

What a bunch of pathetic cheese-eating surrender-monkeys!

-Plus-They love Jerry Louis!
WTF?!?

 

[clippyrip]

AHH, politics on an anonymous web forum, very enjoyable. Arguing politics this way is like running in the special Olympics.

 

[BoilerUP]

Wow, you seem pretty sure about it....

My daddy taught me to never say never, but if there's one thing I've learned recently its that the high-net worth individuals flying business aviation these days will NOT give it up to go back to the airlines at TSA hassles...and will sacrifice other toys in order to keep it.

Doesn't mean one segment is any "better" than the other, but to say an Obama presidency will directly cause job cuts at NJA or elsewhere in the business aviation sector is a laughable statement.

 

[jhill]

Ahhhh Yes France......where unions actually have a say so in things such as pay, work rules, scope issues etc. Where France told us Iraq would turn into a Civil War and refused to get involved. Where France's economy is booming compared to the USA. Average car in France gets 54.6 miles to the gallon and is a diesel manual. What a terrible country. I mean France actually plans for the future and allows its citizens to have a say in how they are treated by corporations.......Just Terrible. How dare they exist......They do have some hot loose women though, but still thats not a reason to like them, lets nuke them they are horrible.

Once again Jmoney is stroking it to that brilliant an highly intelligent Sean Hanniety !!!

Dude get the FU&% out of here. Go to France you commie faqet. Oh and take at least 10 freinds with you. Oh wait, I'll bet you don't have any friends, just a fat wife who listens to your commie rants about how unfair the world is and how the gubmint should take care of us all, especially guys like you because your to weak to make it on your own. I loathe you and all like you.

 

[TWA Dude]

When oil was lower and USAir and AWA merged, were there any layoffs?

YGTBSM. You think there's any comparison between that and NW/DL? There weren't any furloughs at AWA/US because of a) USair retirements b) lots of money was pumped-in from investors and c) oil wasn't $140/barrel with a fleet of Diesel 9s. Furloughs are a guarantee with this merger and any other merger anyone can cancoct in this environment.

 

[PCL_128]

Ahhhh Yes France......where unions actually have a say so in things such as pay, work rules, scope issues etc. Where France told us Iraq would turn into a Civil War and refused to get involved. Where France's economy is booming compared to the USA. Average car in France gets 54.6 miles to the gallon and is a diesel manual. What a terrible country. I mean France actually plans for the future and allows its citizens to have a say in how they are treated by corporations.......Just Terrible. How dare they exist......They do have some hot loose women though, but still thats not a reason to like them, lets nuke them they are horrible.

Once again Jmoney is stroking it to that brilliant an highly intelligent Sean Hanniety !!!

Don't forget that they get 75% of their electricity from nuclear power. We could learn a thing or two from them, apparently.

(I still hate the French, but even those pompous a$$holes have gotten a few things right.)

 

[PCL_128]

How can you say that? He opposes the merger because it will "raise fares"......HELLO...Fares need to rise.....Oberstar and the rest of the Democratic Party are worried about the poor consumer who may actually have to pay what it costs.....

Flying isn't a right....but some on the left side of the aisle think it is......

A true "best friend" wouldn't oppose higher fares.....

After the merger and the "new" Delta furloughs a couple thousand pilots, everyone will wish that Oberstar had gotten his way on stopping this merger.

As far as fares go, Oberstar favors a real solution to our problems: re-regulation.

 

[SkiFishFly]

(I still hate the French, but even those pompous a$$holes have gotten a few things right.)

What he said. And a lot of their women are hot. Other than that they gots some serious issues...

 

[gator_hater]

Re-regulation does not mean a nationalized airline(s). It serves as prices controls.

Ask Carter how well the oil price controls worked.

 

[PCL_128]

Ask Carter how well the oil price controls worked.

Airline price controls functioned beautifully in this country for 50 years.

 

[Flybet3]

And if Obama is elected President, lots of EJA pilots too will be laid off. (all of those extra taxes will force owners to give up EJA shares....)

You are way too dramatic DAD. When oil was lower and USAir and AWA merged, were there any layoffs? Nope. Higher oil has now affected the airlines, but when they merged it had NOT. You are wrong. But, you can GUESS that something "down the line" will happen------you can never be wrong there. Give me a break DAD. I think we may get in another War, "down the line."


Bye Bye--General Lee

And if you vote McOLD then it will be another sh***y 4 more years.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

If you don't choose re-regulation, you will get cabatoge. I'd rather have it US state run then foreign state run. Our economy is built on cheap airfare, so you'll get one or the other to keep fares low.

 

[The Prussian]

Airline price controls functioned beautifully in this country for 50 years.

...in that prices were kept out of reach by the average American...hmmm...I find myself agreeing with PCL in some kind of wierd way...(?!!??)

 

[Carl_Spackler]

Price controls very often have the opposite effect of what they were intended to accomplish. They intend to protect the consumer, but the end result is the consumer getting hurt.

How well do you think rent control works?

 

[BoilerUP]

Our economy is built on cheap airfare, so you'll get one or the other to keep fares low.

Really?

All this time I thought it was built on cheap oil and people spending money they don't have...

 

[Max Powers]

An actual attempt to defend France! That is more than I ever would have hoped for!!!

Where to begin? Let's see-
1-France has just about the highest tax rate in the known universe, (outside of true communism) Yes this is true....Not the highest put it is up there and you need to look at taxes as percent of GDP. Tax rates tell you nothing especially for rich people in this country because they can write of 80-90 of their incomes.

2-France will sell absolutely any weapon to absolutely any country (including nuclear enrichment technology-remember those reactors Isreal blew up in Iraq? Mid 80's?- yep-France!) yea your right is was France and it was also the USA. We also loved Saddam in the 80s we supplied him with all sorts of fun weapons to help him fight the Iranians....Don't you remember history? Oh wait thats right you only see things from your side.

3-France is also really great at offering military advice (ever since the British kicked the living dog-squeeze out of them at Trafalgar)-they just aren't so great at actually doing anything other than getting into some crap and picking up the red phone to call real countries to come an bail thier butts out (3 times in the 20th century-BTW.) Yea like in our revolutionary war they never helped us or gave us advise.

4-Just look at all the fun they had when they tried to make a french nuclear aircraft carrier sail:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FS_Charles_de_Gaulle
-The damn thing was built with a flight deck that was too short(can you believe that?) It also lost its propeller on sea trials-it had to get towed back to port-FROM STINKING SEA TRIALS-NOT BATTLE!!! These clowns are so incompetent-they are lucky it didn't just blow up! yea kinda like when we build new weapon systems, ever hear about the V-22 coming on line how many good marines did that kill? For those of us that have actually served in the military, know that: because some corporation can't get something right doesn't make a countries soldiers more inferior.

5-And- My favorite part:
Why do they have a seat on the UN security council? BECAUSE THE ENTIRE WORLD PITIES THEM!!! It certainly is not because they have won any wars in a couple hundred years or so!!! They just get into some crap every once in a whle and whine when they get the dog snot kicked out of them! I guess the UN must value the perspective afforded by consultation with true losers! Yea your right they had the good sense to leave Vietnam in the early 60s telling us it was a lost cause. Did that TX liberal LBJ listen.....No

-If there is any country anywhere we do not want to emulate, it is France! These putz weasels are truly the scourge of the planet! Yea no one is fat and there life span is greater than ours and they have sex more......Pretty pathetic

What a bunch of pathetic cheese-eating surrender-monkeys!

-Plus-They love Jerry Louis!
WTF?!?

In all seriousness Jmoney, if you open your mouth in real life people like me will just chuckle and say nothing. But deep down we think, maybe as a country we are screwed because unimaginative elitists like yourself, think so one sided and unimaginatively, that we will never dig ourselves out of the George Bush hole.

 

[JoeMerchant]

After the merger and the "new" Delta furloughs a couple thousand pilots, everyone will wish that Oberstar had gotten his way on stopping this merger.

As far as fares go, Oberstar favors a real solution to our problems: re-regulation.

You can't have it both ways PCL....There is TOO MUCH CAPACITY at this price of oil which is preventing the cost from being passed on to the consumer.....If you hope to regain pricing, you will have to pull down capacity.....

It will be healthy long term to allow these mergers to go thru.....Your side of the aisle is too worried about still allowing poor people to fly to Disney.....

 

[PCL_128]

You can't have it both ways PCL....There is TOO MUCH CAPACITY at this price of oil which is preventing the cost from being passed on to the consumer.....If you hope to regain pricing, you will have to pull down capacity.....

It will be healthy long term to allow these mergers to go thru.....Your side of the aisle is too worried about still allowing poor people to fly to Disney.....

Capacity will never be pulled out of the market, Joe. SWA is preparing to jump into DEN to pick up the lost capacity there. VA wants to pick up lost capacity in ORD, and AAI has talked of the same. Wherever one airline pulls capacity out, another will fill the void. As long as we have this failed deregulated model, things will not get better. Re-regulation is the only real answer.