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NWA pilots draw firm line on pay parity with Delta
By LIZ FEDOR, Star Tribune

June 5, 2008

Two Delta Air Lines executives came to St. Paul Thursday to hear Northwest Airlines pilot union leaders deliver an unequivocal message that Northwest pilots be paid equally to their Delta counterparts when a joint contract takes effect.

"To have a successful merger, all pilots and all employees have to be treated the same," said Dave Stevens, chairman of the Northwest pilots union, after pilot leaders met for 2 1/2 hours with key Delta executives. Pilot leaders told their members this week that Delta management intends to "propose a phase-in of pay increases for Northwest pilots to bring them to pay parity over some unknown period of time."

Delta management negotiated pay raises for the company's pilots before announcing the merger proposal in mid-April. Northwest pilots are still covered by a contract that has lower wages than Delta's pilot pay rates.

Delta President Ed Bastian gave little indication Thursday of how the airline will respond in contract negotiations. "They expressed their views and I heard them and I understand them," Bastian said in an interview after the session.

It was Bastian's first meeting with the executive council of the Northwest pilots union.

The Northwest union is a branch of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA). Bastian was joined by Mike Campbell, Delta's executive vice president who handles labor relations.
"It was not a negotiating session," Bastian said. But Delta management will enter bargaining later this month to negotiate a joint contract with the ALPA leaders from Northwest and Delta.

In February, Delta management had reached a deal on a four-year contract with the two pilot groups, but the groups failed to solve the vexing problem of how to merge their seniority lists. Consequently, Delta moved ahead and negotiated a deal with Delta pilots that gives them a 5 percent pay raise in 2009, followed by 4 percent annual raises through 2012.
To increase their bargaining leverage, Northwest pilot leaders had urged John Prater, president of ALPA International, to refuse to sign the new Delta contract. But Delta's labor deal can take effect. In a Wednesday hotline message, the Northwest union leaders said that, to their "great disappointment," Prater signed the Delta labor agreement late last week.

Bastian and Campbell came to the Northwest pilots' turf on Thursday to "discuss the current state of the merger and the financial picture within the industry," Bastian said.

The pilots said late Thursday that they expect to see a revised Delta business plan next week.
The men spoke a few hours after Continental announced that it would slash its domestic capacity by 11 percent in the fourth quarter and a day after United disclosed that it would reduce its U.S. flying by 14 percent in the fall.

"The impact of fuel on our industry is unprecedented, and as a result carriers are having to make some pretty significant changes to their business," Bastian said. Oil prices have doubled in the past year. But he added that "the other carriers largely are just catching up to us now."

Eleven weeks ago, Delta announced it would cut its fourth-quarter domestic capacity by 10 percent, and it already has decided to grant voluntary severance packages to more than 3,000 employees. In early April, Northwest announced capacity reductions that will occur after the summer travel season.

"Our pilots strongly oppose the merger as it now stands," Northwest ALPA's Stevens testified last month before a congressional committee. "The total economic potential of the combined [airline] will not be achieved without a joint contract, which is the only way for all of the predicted revenue enhancements and cost savings to be realized," Stevens told the House Aviation Subcommittee.
Bastian, who also is Delta's chief financial officer, said the merger could achieve substantially more than $1 billion in savings and revenue growth.

Simply with the new Delta pilot contract in hand, "the bulk of the revenue [benefits would begin] on Day 1" of the merger, Bastian said in an interview last week.

But he was in Minnesota Thursday highlighting the need for a contract covering both Delta and Northwest pilots, so ultimately all benefits of a merger could be achieved.

Liz Fedor • 612-673-7709

© 2008 Star Tribune. All rights reserved.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
And what is NWA's code-a-phone all about???

NWA MEC Meeting Update-Day 4
Day four of the 2nd quarter MEC meeting resumed at 9:00am with individual delegate agenda items were addressed:
Resolution 08-40: MCF Funding Request – It has been requested that $2.5 million be authorized from the Major Contingency Fund preparedness, communications and family awareness programs. Resolution is attached.



Resolution 08-41: NWA pilots’ support for and direction to the Negotiating Committee The NWA MEC fully supports the Negotiating Committee’s efforts to achieve pay and pilots on the Date of Corporate Closing (DCC); therefore, the NWA MEC directs the Strategic Preparedness & Strike Committee (SPSC) and the Communications Committee resources to develop a plan of action. Resolution is attached. Passed by Acclamation

Additional Agenda Items:
Resolution 08-42: Explore options to mitigate affects of potential furlough and displacements
Resolution 08-43: Revise NWA MEC policy to include provisions for Compass Airlines
Resolution 08-44: MEC Policy Manual/Committee Reports – Passed Unanimously




What does 08-42 mean? What did Ed Bastian tell them?


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Hope for the best, plan for the worst. Wouldnt you want the union to plan for both ahead of time? I have no idea what it "means" but is it really a surprise that it could go either way?
 
Hope for the best, plan for the worst. Wouldnt you want the union to plan for both ahead of time? I have no idea what it "means" but is it really a surprise that it could go either way?

Yeah, I guess so. It is always good to cover yourself. But, your MEC has been kinda "late" in preparations for any merger, and it showed at our first meeting. When they are unprepared, they often then resort to the "militant" image, which only stirs the pot even more.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Yeah, I guess so. It is always good to cover yourself. But, your MEC has been kinda "late" in preparations for any merger, and it showed at our first meeting. When they are unprepared, they often then resort to the "militant" image, which only stirs the pot even more.


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General,

Were you there? I didn't know you were involved with the merger negotiations.

Bubba's speaking Latin (Veritas), watch out.
 
General,

Were you there? I didn't know you were involved with the merger negotiations.

Bubba's speaking Latin (Veritas), watch out.

I hear tings, I hear tings from people who I know were there. You hosers from the north need to watch it too. Love you.....


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
I guess we will have to wait and see what these guys are up to. It would not surprise me to see a little fat trimmed from both sides of this merger.
Question is, is DALPA making the same preprations? To date, I do not think so....
 
Yes You Are........:cool:

Hey, I was just asking what was meant about the NWA MEC bulletin. Look at the second post in this thread. I had no opinion, just asking what was said or if anyone knew anything. That's it. Then your buddy Redrum throws in "bubba" and I add "hosers." This is really how your own "family" operates, lots of infighting. At least you guys are used to it.


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Gen

Don't know who was more prepared than who for the merger. I think the NWA MEC was seen as cheap and "buyable". Give them a raise and they will eat their young and sell seniority. When it did not happen, "things" broke down.

If there are furloughs(really hope there are none), where are your jr guys gonna go? Ours are going to the left seat at Compass. I guess our MEC prepared for that... Don't know about yours because I do not know your contract.

Good luck to all......
 
Gen

Don't know who was more prepared than who for the merger. I think the NWA MEC was seen as cheap and "buyable". Give them a raise and they will eat their young and sell seniority. When it did not happen, "things" broke down.

If there are furloughs(really hope there are none), where are your jr guys gonna go? Ours are going to the left seat at Compass. I guess our MEC prepared for that... Don't know about yours because I do not know your contract.

Good luck to all......

If we park planes before we get an SLI, then I don't think any of ours will get furloughed, thanks to DL getting more planes. As you know we are getting 777s and 73NGs, and the planes most likely parked will be YOURS. Our MD88s are a lot newer than your DC9s and 742s, and those are the most likely to go first. Yes, we are parking some initially, but mainly because of leases expiring and heavy mx being due. Do you think our pilots should get furloughed for planes brought to the table by you guys? Is that really fair? I think a fence around the DC9s would be fair. Hey, if our guys would have wanted to fly an old DC9, they would have applied to you guys or ABX. Honestly, do you think our guys should be furloughed because of your planes possibly going away?

As far as your guys being ready at the first meeting, the first thing they asked at the beginning was "which arbitrator should we pick?" No wanting to negotiate at all. That is how you guys operate, give the responsibility to someone else, someone else to blame. But, when it comes down to it, an arbitrator probably will look at those DC9s and determine that they will probably go away first, and hopefully will figure the fairest way to place those pilots on that list at the new Delta. Bringing our workrules into play will save a bunch of pilots anyway, and that should provide some cushion. No more 5 day domestic trips for you guys.

I think it is great that your pilots could go to Compass. I don't think our pilots will need that scheme yet because of the new planes coming on our side, though. It would be nice to have some protection though, but we don't have 60 DC9s and 14 742s all waiting to go to the boneyard either.

And yes, good luck to all.


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It is entertaining when you say such things, as if you have a clue.

Do you think I get all my info from THIS BOARD? Come on now...... you are getting RISIBLE like Occam.


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Do you think I get all my info from THIS BOARD? Come on now...... you are getting RISIBLE like Occam.


Bye Bye--General Lee
Yup, like your MEC gives a crap about edumicating a 767 FO. Top priority I would think.

"Hey Lee, that pain in the ass FO sent us another email and left 16 voicemails."
 
Do you think our pilots should get furloughed for planes brought to the table by you guys?
When the airplanes are parked BECAUSE OF DAL's SCOPE CLAUSE? YES. YOU BETCHA.
Honestly, do you think our guys should be furloughed because of your planes possibly going away?
YES. If they are allowed to park them with NO PENALTY due to DALPA's scope language. Honestly, do you think NWA guys should be furloughed because your scope clause allows them to be parked vs NWA scope clause that penalizes NWA tremendously for parking them beyond a certain point?

You guys ALWAYS ignore this point.
 
When the airplanes are parked BECAUSE OF DAL's SCOPE CLAUSE? YES. YOU BETCHA.

YES. If they are allowed to park them with NO PENALTY due to DALPA's scope language. Honestly, do you think NWA guys should be furloughed because your scope clause allows them to be parked vs NWA scope clause that penalizes NWA tremendously for parking them beyond a certain point?

You guys ALWAYS ignore this point.


Do you really think gas guzzling DC9s would be parked because of the Delta scope clause? Where is your MEC? Why aren't they negotiating with Delta management? Are you blaming everything on Delta ALPA?
 
Yup, like your MEC gives a crap about edumicating a 767 FO. Top priority I would think.

"Hey Lee, that pain in the ass FO sent us another email and left 16 voicemails."

You guys are hillarious. Wow, I almost shat my pants.....Maybe I actually KNOW people in the know? Yeah, I do. (and, you don't seem to question FDJ2.....he is REALLY involved---ask him all about it PLEASE--love to hear him put you in YOUR PLACE)

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Do you really think gas guzzling DC9s would be parked because of the Delta scope clause? Where is your MEC? Why aren't they negotiating with Delta management? Are you blaming everything on Delta ALPA?
Stick with the specifics...NWAALPA's scope clause PREVENTS the parking of the DC9's unless they also end up parking all of Compass. Do you think they will do that? DALAPA's scope clause would allow DAL to park every DC9 with NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER on Delta Connection. They could replace every one with a Delta RJ. That can't happen at NWA. But you guys LOVE to ignore that and say that if DAL parks DC9's NWA pilots should pay the price for that.....even though it is 100% due to DAL's scope that it would be possible.

Hypocrisy defined.
 
Do you really think gas guzzling DC9s would be parked because of the Delta scope clause? Where is your MEC? Why aren't they negotiating with Delta management? Are you blaming everything on Delta ALPA?

Didn't you hear? NWA ALPA is trying to find an arbitrator to negotiate with Delta Management......that is the only way they know how to negotiate ANYTHING.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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