Revised DAL Biz Plan?

[General Lee]

Replace our fleet? We have the youngest international fleet of any North American airline and the youngest trans-atlantic fleet of any North American OR European airline. Our average fleet age, even with DC9's included is about 4 years older than DAL's.

Does DAL have the cash to replace it's aging 767 fleet?

As for the JP Morgan thing, perhaps in the future you could refrain from using analysts who admit that their numbers are not "based in reality".

We got rid of our "old" 767s---the 767-200s went to ABX. Our "newer" 767s are getting winglets on them and crew quarters for longer flights. And, when your 742s go away, I have heard some of the 767-300ERs could get cargo doors and go to ANC. You will be seeing those 767s for a LONG time to come, a lot longer than those DC9s.

And I LOVE your comment about NWA having the "youngest" transatlantic fleet for ANY airline. I think Virgin, Air France, KLM, and Lufthansa would disagree, but you do know it all.........(also Emirates does fly only very very new 777s across the Atlantic from Dubai, but that doesn't count...) Across the Atlantic, you are a small player overall. You go to a total of 6 cities across the pond, including Mumbai (not in Europe). I wouldn't be bragging about it. (we don't brag about Asia either) But together, we will be a monster....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

There is already a NWA museum near the airport in MSP. It's over near the mall of america.

That's the NWA terminal at MSP where all the 9's are parked, right? ZING!!!

 

[Superpilot92]

That's the NWA terminal at MSP where all the 9's are parked, right? ZING!!!

Kinda like the CVG terminal where all the 737-200's are, oh wait those are gone and now are RJ's. ZING!!!

Better GL?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Kinda like the CVG terminal where all the 737-200's and -300's are, oh wait those are gone and now are RJ's. ZING!!!

yadda yadda yadda, haha.

 

[General Lee]

Kinda like the CVG terminal where all the 737-200's and -300's are, oh wait those are gone and now are RJ's. ZING!!!

We never had 737-300s in CVG. Get your ZINGS right at least.....come on.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Superpilot92]

We never had 737-300s in CVG. Get your ZINGS right at least.....come on.

Bye Bye--General Lee

It was a joke toward peanuckle. All in good fun until you came in and buzzkilled it.

 

[Papa Woody]

The NWA merger is a piggy bank they want to suck dry to help weather the storm,

Hearing rumblings the whole merger may in fact be in jeopardy.

Exactly.

Plus, the employees aren't exactly buying the "rosy picture" BS they're pumping out of all the propaganda channels.

Cuts are coming and everyone knows it.

Morale sucks, and as a result, customer service totally blows.

The other day I witnessed a DL gate agent throw a ghetto-style fit at a customer, and it almost turned into a race war on concourse B. No joke.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I agree that there will probably be cuts. About two days after DCC. Not sure if they will furlough though. It costs about 5 million a month to keep all of the new hires on property. It would cost a lot more than that to kick them out the door and bring them back in a year. Now if they stop the 777 deliveries we are screwed. Expect massive layoffs if that happens.
I would expect to see an offer of voluntary LOA's first.

 

[dtfl]

Sorry, you're wrong. Your 12.4 year number includes your RJ fleet. It's all available in 2007's 10k forms for both airlines and DAL's breaks out the numbers with and without your RJ's. Apples to Oranges.I've posted it all before. You can do a search for it.

Fins:

There is already a NWA museum near the airport in MSP. It's over near the mall of america.

Oh Im so sorry...evidently you and Mr NWAREDtail have all the answers, from your wonderful posts. I just cant WAIT to fly with you.....

I just posted a Forbes article. Take it up with Malcomb if the #s don't jive, according to your research.

 

[Superpilot92]

I agree that there will probably be cuts. About two days after DCC. Not sure if they will furlough though. It costs about 5 million a month to keep all of the new hires on property. It would cost a lot more than that to kick them out the door and bring them back in a year. Now if they stop the 777 deliveries we are screwed. Expect massive layoffs if that happens.
I would expect to see an offer of voluntary LOA's first.

Dont forget the cost associated with furloughing and retraining everyone at compass and mesaba while also furloughing people from Compass that get flushed from the bottom. Any furloughs *should* be short lived with the new aircraft coming to both sides. That should hopefully be enough deterrence to furloughing on a whim.

 

[jester757]

Here is the skinny...from the souce as it were...

DAL is still pushing ahead for the purchase of NWA> yes, DAL is buying NWA... not a merger, not that it matters in the end. In fact the date of corp. closing has been pushed up...way up. They want to have it done by the end of the fall...prior to November. Two more bids to come out for 777s by years end...any vacancies caused will not be back filled. In the fall there will be SILs offered for about 55hours of pay, ALV will drop to the low 70s...BUT there should be NO FURLOUGHS at DAL (as of today that is...)

Also, plans do not include parking all of the nines. There are plans to park some/all of the freighters.

How do I know...well there was a large group of NWA folks down at DAL today who were there to work out some aspects of the merger. Amazing how nice they all were and that they were willing to spill the beans.

 

[General Lee]

Here is the skinny...from the souce as it were...

DAL is still pushing ahead for the purchase of NWA> yes, DAL is buying NWA... not a merger, not that it matters in the end. In fact the date of corp. closing has been pushed up...way up. They want to have it done by the end of the fall...prior to November. Two more bids to come out for 777s by years end...any vacancies caused will not be back filled. In the fall there will be SILs offered for about 55hours of pay, ALV will drop to the low 70s...BUT there should be NO FURLOUGHS at DAL (as of today that is...)

Also, plans do not include parking all of the nines. There are plans to park some/all of the freighters.

How do I know...well there was a large group of NWA folks down at DAL today who were there to work out some aspects of the merger. Amazing how nice they all were and that they were willing to spill the beans.

I bet they will place a few 767ERs into ANC with cargo doors to fly some of those valuable Asian cargo slots.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Fly4hire]

DAL is still pushing ahead for the purchase of NWA> yes, DAL is buying NWA... not a merger, not that it matters in the end.

Then why mention it? DAL Inc. may be buying NWA Inc., but is still a merger of operations and a merger of pilot groups......

 

[~~~^~~~]

There are a lot of NWA folks wondering around. Crew Scheduling says they have already held meetings with NWA's people and have been told "not to hold anything back." They are doing a top to bottom look at what works best.

I hope the NWA pilots get on board with the culture here at Delta. It is a good place to work.

 

[Fly4hire]

I hope the NWA pilots get on board with the culture here at Delta. It is a good place to work.

Real easy - start treating us like a real part of the family instead of telling us to go to the back of the bus. Or is the culture you are the plantation owners and we should be happy for such a nice place to be enslaved?