Revised DAL Biz Plan?

[Superpilot92]

The day DC-9s take over ANYTHING from RJs, I will glady buy you the most expensive steak dinner you can find, General!

-That is one bet you will never win except perhaps in your freak-ass dreams.....

Although i dont agree with GL much he is probably right in this case.

 

[Jmoney]

Really?----

If DAL replaces a new 70 or 90 seat plane with one that carries just about the same number of people and burns MORE FUEL THAN A FREAKING 757, (not to mention all the mx they dump into those old buckets) they would deserve the pounding the market would give them!

You people have got to be high!!!! It would be absolutely insane to consider doing exactly the same job with something that burns 3 or 4 times as much fuel to do it!!!!

-Did you buy some bad stuff from ATLcrashpad?

-Damn....

 

[MJ42]

Really?----

If DAL replaces a new 70 or 90 seat plane with one that carries just about the same number of people and burns MORE FUEL THAN A FREAKING 757, (not to mention all the mx they dump into those old buckets) they would deserve the pounding the market would give them!

You people have got to be high!!!! It would be absolutely insane to consider doing exactly the same job with something that burns 3 or 4 times as much fuel to do it!!!!

-Did you buy some bad stuff from ATLcrashpad?

-Damn....

Who flies 90 seat planes for DAL? As far as RJ's go 76 is the max. The 50 seaters will go first.

Also, do some research on how many pax a DC-9-30, -40 and -50 hold...(I'll give you a start, -50=124 pax). While you're at it, look up the burn PPH of a DC-9 compared to a 757. I'll be interested in your findings.

P.S. A few 3rd grade math problems for you: 124-50=??? 124-76=???

 

[~~~^~~~]

So you can't back up your statement. Another Shocker! Let's see, between Airtran and Jetblue, I am willing to bet that DAL's "O and D" traffic has tailspinned compared to NWA's.

After you ran away from your challenge on SLI history, you come back with more taunts? Like I wrote, you set the standard - I'll meet you fact for fact and as others on the board have observed, if I'm wrong - I'll admit it.

Just debate Jamie Baker and Mark Streeter of JP Morgan. My opinion of NWA is actually more favorable than most of the Experts.

Southwest, Alaska, Delta, and AirTran remain at the top of the list as those airlines having the least amount of Chapter 11 risk.

But after that, we had some moving around.

With the announcement of its debt offering, JetBlue moved up into fifth spot, behind AirTran, while Continental got knocked down to sixth place.

American moved up to seventh, from its former ninth place position, based on capacity cuts announced, while United Airlines moved up to eighth place from last place. Northwest dropped from sixth to next to last, and US Airways dropped from eighth to number ten -- last on the list.

 

[nwaredtail]

After you ran away from your challenge on SLI history, you come back with more taunts?

Just debate Jamie Baker and Mark Streeter of JP Morgan. My opinion of NWA is actually more favorable than most of the Experts.

Ummm, no. I want you to produce the data that you "quoted" that said NWA's O & D trafffic is trending down. That should be simple for you.

I agree, NWA is probably the least likely to go BK.

Waiting for your numbers.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Waiting for yours. I posted mine months ago. Use the search feature.

Just as US Air keeps your airline from being on the bottom of the list, do you appreciate the service Tanker Clown provides you?

 

[~~~^~~~]

While you're at it, look up the burn PPH of a DC-9 compared to a 757. I'll be interested in your findings.

Actually, the DC9-50 only burns about 100 gallons less an hour than a 757 at Delta. The 757 goes further, with nearly half again more passengers, off a shorter runway. When it comes to numbers games, it is hard to beat a 757. NWA's 757-300's are the most efficient aircraft in the fleet on a CASM basis.

2007 NWA & Delta operating statistics

Fuel Burn DC9 30 / 40 / 50 in Gallons per Hour:
762/797/867

Fuel Burn 757 NWA / DAL / NWA757-300
994/976/1177

Fuel Burn CRJ 700 Comair
586

CASM
DC9-30: 11.1
757 DAL: 5.4
757 NWA: 6.0
757-300 NWA: 4.2
CRJ900 (SkyWest 76 seater): 7.3

 

[Superpilot92]

After you ran away from your challenge on SLI history, you come back with more taunts? Like I wrote, you set the standard - I'll meet you fact for fact and as others on the board have observed, if I'm wrong - I'll admit it.

Just debate Jamie Baker and Mark Streeter of JP Morgan. My opinion of NWA is actually more favorable than most of the Experts.

That is BS and you know it. If NWA was in such bad shape then why did DAL "choose" to merge with NWA? Your CEO has even said that both companies were best positioned in the industry. That list even put NWA at more of a risk than UAL of going TU , come on we all know thats bs. your a numbers guys you should know better than that.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

The day DC-9s take over ANYTHING from RJs, I will glady buy you the most expensive steak dinner you can find, General!

-That is one bet you will never win except perhaps in your freak-ass dreams.....

Hmm, let's see... as of 6/6 DC-9s take over RJ routes on DTW-XNA at NWA. Where do I collect that steak dinner?

 

[Superpilot92]

Actually, the DC9-50 only burns about 100 gallons less an hour than a 757 at Delta. The 757 goes further, with nearly half again more passengers, off a shorter runway. When it comes to numbers games, it is hard to beat a 757. NWA's 757-300's are the most efficient aircraft in the fleet on a CASM basis.

2007 NWA & Delta operating statistics

Fuel Burn DC9 30 / 40 / 50 in Gallons per Hour:
762/797/867

Fuel Burn 757 NWA / DAL / NWA757-300
994/976/1177

Fuel Burn CRJ 700 Comair
586

CASM
DC9-30: 11.1
757 DAL: 5.4
757 NWA: 6.0
757-300 NWA: 4.2
CRJ900 (SkyWest 76 seater): 7.3

The 757 and the dc9 have completely different missions and thats a bad comparison. When we start running the 757 on routes like dtw-lan, or mem-lit then start comparing that. Also those CASM numbers were based on 1000 mile routes if i am not mistaken and the dc9 doesnt really do long routes. It is typically used for short hauls to smaller airports. There are alot of factors that are being left out of the DC9 numbers. DAL mgmt likes the 9 for its abilities on those type of missions and has said it a number of times. They are being reduced and we will only have about 50ish of them left by the end of the year and i would be willing to bet those stick around a little while as a temporary filler. There are rumors floating around that Airtranny is looking for a buyer for their DC9-717's maybe we can pick those up.

 

[DTW320]

After you ran away from your challenge on SLI history, you come back with more taunts? Like I wrote, you set the standard - I'll meet you fact for fact and as others on the board have observed, if I'm wrong - I'll admit it.

Just debate Jamie Baker and Mark Streeter of JP Morgan. My opinion of NWA is actually more favorable than most of the Experts.

Hey Fins....do you mean the same JP Morgan guys who later issued this update?

"Due to the timing of the Midwest Airlines transaction, $200 million of cash
held in escrow will leave the restricted cash category, improving liquidity
and unrestricted cash by that amount. Note that our placement of NWA at
the weak end of our chapter 11 risk rankings continues to generate the most
debate amongst the authors of this report and from our clients. NWA's
balance sheet and liquidity are currently high but liquidity options are limited
under a scenario (not our base case) where Delta walks away from the merger
table or the government blocks a deal later this year. Other airlines may
be able to raise capital more quickly, thereby buying more time. The NWA
opinion offered here is certainly a non-consensus view (as is our view on
JBLU at the other extreme). Nevertheless, keep in mind that it is only a view
and as we wrote earlier in this report, none of these liquidity projections
are likely to match reality as capital raising and industry restructuring
events occur."

Just wondering.....

 

[Superpilot92]

Hmm, let's see... as of 6/6 DC-9s take over RJ routes on DTW-XNA at NWA. Where do I collect that steak dinner?

The 9 is also back on MEM-IAH and IAH-MEM. instead of all crjs its now 2 dc9s and 1 crj.:beer:

 

[Superpilot92]

Hey Fins....do you mean the same JP Morgan guys who later issued this update?


Just wondering.....

Great find i hadnt seen that. I am glad that we weren't the only ones who caught the bs in the original article. :nuts:

 

[nwaredtail]

~~~^~~~;1599870]Waiting for yours. I posted mine months ago. Use the search feature.

Well, there you have it. You spew "trends", "Financial results" but when asked specifics, you try to deflect and spin. Thats OK, most know that you, General Lee, PuffScab are full of crap, so I'll drop it.

Credibility, I expect thats what a few NWA pilots have had trouble adjusting to when working with the DAL folks.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Frankly it does not matter how either of us have preformed in the past. We need to look at how we will perform in the future. Frankly that is the only thing that will make our jobs secure and QOL increase.