Teamsters Vs Alpa

[suupah]

What are the Advantages and/or disadvantages of Teamsters vs ALPA for regional airlines?

 

[Big Foot]

not sure if I know the differences. I know the teamsters in other industries that get the job done. This may be better then ALPA in that sort. And if all fails with the teamsters they have a few of those cement boots laying around. I want those boots on my side.

 

[BirdCatcher]

What are the Advantages and/or disadvantages of Teamsters vs ALPA for regional airlines?

Doesn't matter which one, the strengh of the pilot group is what matters. A union doesn't come in and give you stuff, it provides the pilots the resources to do it themselves.

 

[suupah]

What about in terms fringe bene's like ticket protection, medical recovery, loss of license insurance etc.

 

[pdub20s]

not sure if I know the differences. I know the teamsters in other industries that get the job done. This may be better then ALPA in that sort. And if all fails with the teamsters they have a few of those cement boots laying around. I want those boots on my side.

I agree... But before the cement boots.. its usually the horse head in the bed, dead animal in the mail box, or the occasional death threat.

 

[turbinesurgeon]

What about in terms fringe bene's like ticket protection, medical recovery, loss of license insurance etc.

I have been both and ALPA is much better.

 

[PCL_128]

Doesn't matter which one, the strengh of the pilot group is what matters. A union doesn't come in and give you stuff, it provides the pilots the resources to do it themselves.

It absolutely matters which one. The IBT is woefully ill-equipped to represent air line pilots. They don't have the experienced attorneys, the E & FA department, the Aeromed department, etc...

If you're a truck driver, then you can't do any better than the IBT. If you're an air line pilot, then there's only one real choice: the Air Line Pilots Association.

 

[Afraid to Fly]

What about in terms fringe bene's like ticket protection, medical recovery, loss of license insurance etc.

The IBT contracts with ALPA to provide ticket protection, medical recovery, etc.

The other thing is if Colgan votes in the IBT, ALPA is going to steamroll the Colgan pilots to prove a point which is the stronger union. There is a lot of back door politicing going on between the IBT and ALPA with the Atlas/Polar stuff going on. If ALPA is voted in they are going to be much more willing to make sure the Colgan pilots are protected and show other groups which is the strongest union.

Colgan needs ALPA not the IBT.

 

[suupah]

oh boy this is going to be another polarizing moment in Colgan history!

 

[PCL_128]

The IBT contracts with ALPA to provide ticket protection, medical recovery, etc.

I wouldn't expect that to last much longer. With the antics of the former AAI MEC Chairman becoming the new IBT Airline Division President and trying to raid the union at Atlas, relations between the IBT and ALPA will turn even more sour, IMO.

 

[701EV]

Have you ever seen the UPS contract for their employees. Pretty darn good.

701EV

 

[PCL_128]

Have you ever seen the UPS contract for their employees. Pretty darn good.

701EV

Yes, and the IBT represents truck drivers and package handlers at UPS. That's what the IBT specializes in. Expecting them to represent pilots with the same level of expertise is patently absurd.

 

[dispatchguy]

Just remember - GoJet is Teamsters

 

[AWACoff]

So is Great Lakes. Heck, with that roster of airlines the Teamsters win hands down!

 

[dingo222]

So is Great Lakes. Heck, with that roster of airlines the Teamsters win hands down!

so is horizon and so was netjets when they got the new contract.

 

[suupah]

so is horizon and so was netjets when they got the new contract.

I think that the resolve of the individual MEC and pilot group has more to do with the quality of the contract negotiated than the union. IMHO.

Who takes better care of you when you slide off the runway or lose your medical?

 

[suupah]

Just remember - GoJet is Teamsters

Just remember - MESA is ALPA

 

[701EV]

Representation is representation, no matter whether you drive a truck, load a truck, load a bag or fly a plane. It's not like the IBT have never represented an ailine before

Teamsters are a real union. They are much more powerful than ALPA could ever dream of being.

ALPA is a gentelmans club who f@ck the other gentelman when the have to. The whole mainline RJ cluster is a by product ALPA f@cking up!

701EV

 

[WalterSobchak]

If you're a truck driver, then you can't do any better than the IBT. If you're an air line pilot, then there's only one real choice: the Air Line Pilots Association.

The great thing about typing instead of talking is the fact that you don't have to remove anything from your mouth while typing...right, PCL?

 

[PCL_128]

Representation is representation, no matter whether you drive a truck, load a truck, load a bag or fly a plane. It's not like the IBT have never represented an ailine before

Ridiculous. Would you want the IBEW to represent you? According to you, all representation is the same. I'm sure those electrical workers could do a great job representing air line pilots.

Teamsters are a real union. They are much more powerful than ALPA could ever dream of being.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

ALPA is a gentelmans club who f@ck the other gentelman when the have to. The whole mainline RJ cluster is a by product ALPA f@cking up!

Ah, I see. Another RJDC wanker. That explains it.