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[Bavarian Chef]

...just churning the pot guys but yes i did hear that and it was not from a cp or someone " on the jumpseat"

Come on now, flight attendants say alot of things in bed. When they're tied up. And full of mojitos.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Come on now, flight attendants say alot of things in bed. When they're tied up. And full of mojitos.

like "can you please untie me or at least scratch my balls for me?"

 

[Pitot]

Oh Snap!!!

 

[Sgt. Hartman]

.......

 

[flyboycmsu]

I stand corrected about Navitaire....
Anybody have that link handy of that seniority integration bill that was passed and spearheaded by MO Senator Claire McCaskill? (sp?)

 

[castle bravo]

http://mccaskill.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=289277

 

[Beetle007]

Anybody have that link handy of that seniority integration bill that was passed and spearheaded by MO Senator Claire McCaskill? (sp?)

We have two protections according to the new law. Section 3 and 13 of Allegheny-Mohawk agreement. Not nearly as good as the original bill that would have given employees all 13 protections. But it made the politicians give themselves a pat on the back

Section 3.
Insofar as the merger affects the seniority rights of the carriers employees, provisions shall be made for the integration of seniority lists in a fair and equitable manner, including, where applicable, agreement through collective bargaining between the carriers and the representatives of the employees affected. In the event of failure to agree, the dispute may be submitted by either party for adjustment in accordance with section 13.

Section 13.
(a) In the event that any dispute or controversy (except as to matters arising under section 9) arises with respect to the protections provided herein which cannot be settle by the parties within 20 days after the controversy arises, it may be referred by any party to an arbitrator selected from a panel of seven names furnished by the National Mediation Board for consideration and determination. The parties shall select the arbitrator from such panel by alternatively striking names until only one remains, and he shall serve as arbitrator. Expedited hearings and decisions will be expected, and a decision shall be rendered within 90 days after the controversy arises, unless an extension of time it is mutually agreeable to all parties. The salary and expenses of the arbitrator shall be borne equally by the carrier and (i) the organization or organizations representing employee or employees or (ii) if unrepresented, the employee or employees or group or groups of employees. The decision of the arbitrator shall be final and binding on the parties.
(b.) The above condition shall not apply if the parties by mutual agreement determine that an alternative method for dispute settlement or an alternative procedure for selection of an arbitrator is appropriate in their particular dispute. No party shall be excused from complying with the above condition by reason of having suggested an alternative method or procedure unless and until that alternative method or procedure shall have been agreed to by all parties.

 

[Beetle007]

Final Bill that was signed into law (do a word search for "Mohawk" and you will find the relevant section)

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-2764

Allegheny-Mohawk protections. (Only sections 3 and 13 are provided by law). The original bill that was never passed would have given us all 13 protections. It would have also made mergers far less likely due to financial constraints on the company.

http://www.nwaflightattendants.com/Allegheny Mohawk LPPs.htm

 

[scarlet]

I did warn you weeks ago and you said I knew nothing? Next two weeks =tale tale sign for Frontier

good luck to the pilots and employees at spirit ! Have friends there in FLL,DTW...

Hopefully oil goes to 60-70 a barrell soon!!!

 

[600rvr]

Eff spirit... eff jblue and eff this industry in the US. Thanks to mesa and the rest for the race to the bottom. Oil is expensive.. this is true... but tickets don't need to be given away. It should be a criminal offense to run an airline with over 80% of the seats filled and still be operating in the red. Charge enough to cover costs and make a profit. WTF it's pretty simple people.

 

[maxblast72]

Eff spirit... eff jblue and eff this industry in the US. Thanks to mesa and the rest for the race to the bottom. Oil is expensive.. this is true... but tickets don't need to be given away. It should be a criminal offense to run an airline with over 80% of the seats filled and still be operating in the red. Charge enough to cover costs and make a profit. WTF it's pretty simple people.

Sad part is we need several airlines to disappear or drastically cut some significant capacity to get the ticket price increases everyone needs to be profitable. It will be a game to see who can survive until that point.

 

[Mike man]

As much as I hate JO and his style running Mesa, they really didn't have anything to do with the industry catering to the bus ridding crowd.

If Spirit is truly failing it really takes zero thought as to why...blend piss poor customer service and people will stop riding, even in the small niche markets. People will pay more to be treated like a human being as opposed to cattle.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

like "can you please untie me or at least scratch my balls for me?"

Clickclick does dig the trannies.

 

[Sgt. Hartman]

Eff spirit... eff jblue and eff this industry in the US. Thanks to mesa and the rest for the race to the bottom. Oil is expensive.. this is true... but tickets don't need to be given away. It should be a criminal offense to run an airline with over 80% of the seats filled and still be operating in the red. Charge enough to cover costs and make a profit. WTF it's pretty simple people.

The race to the bottom began long before there were ever LCC's in the picture. And those who started it are the ones that folks seem to think are upholding the highest of standards.

 

[clickclickboom]

Clickclick does dig the trannies.

Okay I admit it.. But hey it takes one to know one.. The chef bites the pillow while we play naked twister

 

[troll565]

There are 71 pilots between LGA and SJU so that leaves 171 pilots left over...that is almost the entire FLL FO list. So I guess if we think about this it must be something like this...

70 SJU and LGA displaced back to FLL
120 furloughs (just round numbers)
50 downgrades

That is 240 pilots affected by this...

The company is required to list you, BY NAME, in the WARN Act whether you might be affected. Right now, it only goes up to about bidder #90 on the FLL FO side, plus ALL SJU and LGA pilots.


And no, Jet Blue is not buying us.

And AAL is pulling back big time in SJU, stopping FLL/TPA/MCO to SJU, FLL-KIN, etc.


Obviously the 240# is the absolute highest, I think when it's all over, you'll see about 40 furloughs with 15 downgrades. LGA will close but SJU will stay open, albeit reduced.

 

[Beetle007]

Why is this info not coming from the union? Shouldn't they attempt to provide the most accurate info to the membership?

Also, why did they say in their email that the company provided the "minimum required legal notice"? The company hasn't even issued notices yet?

The WARN act requires 60 days notice and our contract only requires 14 days notice. The WARN act only applies to furloughs of more than 50 people.

 

[troll565]

Why is this info not coming from the union? Shouldn't they attempt to provide the most accurate info to the membership?

Also, why did they say in their email that the company provided the "minimum required legal notice"? The company hasn't even issued notices yet?

The WARN act requires 60 days notice and our contract only requires 14 days notice. The WARN act only applies to furloughs of more than 50 people.

Don't you think Indigo would rather list WAY more people than might actually be affected? They can't add to that list without giving another 60 day notice, but they obviously don't have to furlough/displace/downgrade 40% of the pilots either.


If you're gonna furlough 240 pilots, just shut the doors and get it over with. If however, the bookings for Post-Labor Day don't support the number of flights you had during the summer, than there needs to be some readjustments. 5 flights a day in Sept/Oct to LGA with 100 people sucks; 4 flights a day with 130 does not.


Indigo gave a 60 day notice of base closings, not 14, btw.

 

[troll565]

Did the flight attendent MEC, get anything also? 242 pilots has to affect FA's also.

Closing of SJU, LGA and DTW.

 

[Beetle007]

The Flight attendant's union sent PDF copies of their WARN act letters to their membership (which include the names of employees affected).