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[flya380]

According to the latest MEC update the company is planning to displace and furlough 242 pilots......Plus closure of SJU and LGA

WTF.........

I thought 10 days ago we were fine!!!

 

[critterair2]

Did the flight attendent MEC, get anything also? 242 pilots has to affect FA's also.

 

[Mike man]

There are 71 pilots between LGA and SJU so that leaves 171 pilots left over...that is almost the entire FLL FO list. So I guess if we think about this it must be something like this...

70 SJU and LGA displaced back to FLL
120 furloughs (just round numbers)
50 downgrades

That is 240 pilots affected by this...

 

[Colonel Savage]

70 SJU and LGA displaced back to FLL
120 furloughs (just round numbers)
50 downgrades

That is 240 pilots affected by this...

That sounds more likely, but it is still a 25% furlough. Except for some shutdowns, that's the biggest initial furlough I've ever heard of.

This has got J.O.'s signature all over it.

 

[Beetle007]

Hopefully you are correct about only 120 furloughs. I have been hearing the 242 number doesn't include downgrades.

I would think a furlough of this size would mean we are losing airplanes. I wonder where our airplanes are going.

 

[Mike man]

242 is almost half of the seniority list!

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Did they say when it would be effective?

 

[Beetle007]

The contract says they have to give us 14 day notice before we are furloughed. So I guess I still have a job for 2 weeks. And I don't think the 14 day clock until we get our official notice in the mail.

 

[Mike man]

I may be coming down with ass glaucoma in the next few days...

 

[OBX]

This is a huge long shot, but Spirit just--as of Friday--switched to the same reservations software as JetBlue. JetBlue just deferred Airbus deliveries.

 

[FlyWolf]

God, I have some friends At Spirit, I hope its just a rumor

 

[flyboycmsu]

Per the station manager in FLL, Jetblue does not use Navitaire...the new software

 

[iflysky]

God, I have some friends At Spirit, I hope its just a rumor

No it is not a rumor. We got an official notice from the MEC today. My guess is that one of the investment companies just pulled the plug.

 

[FlyWolf]

Let me guess, a TPG affiliated?

 

[gatorbird]

No it is not a rumor. We got an official notice from the MEC today. My guess is that one of the investment companies just pulled the plug.

Maybe not pulled the plug, but here's another scenario:

What if Indigo takes some planes from us and ships them over to Poland (Wizzair) or Australia (Tiger)? How hard is it for them to do, since they own us all?

To think that just 10 days ago I was giving this company credit for coming clean with us. Shame on me. They're all just a bunch of Karl Icann wannabees, corporate raiders everyone. I think the last CEO that really cared about aviation just retired (Herb K.)...

Well, back to updating my resume...

gator

 

[OBX]

Per the station manager in FLL, Jetblue does not use Navitaire...the new software

Well, they would probably know better, but the Navitaire website lists JetBlue as a current user as does various industry and travel literature. Nonetheless, it is a long shot and just one of those things that make you wonder. I do not think that it's the type of merger that we'd see right now, though.

 

[Smoking Man]

Sorry about the news guys/gals.

 

[A350]

And FWIW, JetBlue does use Navitaire.

A350

 

[clickclickboom]

AND FWIW:

A little mouse whispered that jetblue was making a private offer backed by soros for spirit..

The bad news in my opinion JB still has surplus pilots currently and some spirit planes would go bye bye as jb has a very high utilization rate on our airframes but let it be known jb would love to grab those 319's , 321's, and those routes

slap in some tv's and we would be good to go ...

So date of hire, fences,or preferential interviews?

just churning the pot guys but yes i did hear that and it was not from a cp or someone " on the jumpseat"

 

[johnsonrod]

AND FWIW:

A little mouse whispered that jetblue was making a private offer backed by soros for spirit..

The bad news in my opinion JB still has surplus pilots currently and some spirit planes would go bye bye as jb has a very high utilization rate on our airframes but let it be known jb would love to grab those 319's , 321's, and those routes

slap in some tv's and we would be good to go ...

So date of hire, fences,or preferential interviews?

just churning the pot guys but yes i did hear that and it was not from a cp or someone " on the jumpseat"

I am sure one less LCC would benefit all of the players on the Eastern Seaboard from a margin standpoint. Let's just hope that if that happens the pilots don't get hosed (like normal)...

 

[Bavarian Chef]

...just churning the pot guys but yes i did hear that and it was not from a cp or someone " on the jumpseat"

Come on now, flight attendants say alot of things in bed. When they're tied up. And full of mojitos.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Come on now, flight attendants say alot of things in bed. When they're tied up. And full of mojitos.

like "can you please untie me or at least scratch my balls for me?"

 

[Pitot]

Oh Snap!!!

 

[Sgt. Hartman]

.......

 

[flyboycmsu]

I stand corrected about Navitaire....
Anybody have that link handy of that seniority integration bill that was passed and spearheaded by MO Senator Claire McCaskill? (sp?)

 

[castle bravo]

http://mccaskill.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=289277

 

[Beetle007]

Anybody have that link handy of that seniority integration bill that was passed and spearheaded by MO Senator Claire McCaskill? (sp?)

We have two protections according to the new law. Section 3 and 13 of Allegheny-Mohawk agreement. Not nearly as good as the original bill that would have given employees all 13 protections. But it made the politicians give themselves a pat on the back

Section 3.
Insofar as the merger affects the seniority rights of the carriers employees, provisions shall be made for the integration of seniority lists in a fair and equitable manner, including, where applicable, agreement through collective bargaining between the carriers and the representatives of the employees affected. In the event of failure to agree, the dispute may be submitted by either party for adjustment in accordance with section 13.

Section 13.
(a) In the event that any dispute or controversy (except as to matters arising under section 9) arises with respect to the protections provided herein which cannot be settle by the parties within 20 days after the controversy arises, it may be referred by any party to an arbitrator selected from a panel of seven names furnished by the National Mediation Board for consideration and determination. The parties shall select the arbitrator from such panel by alternatively striking names until only one remains, and he shall serve as arbitrator. Expedited hearings and decisions will be expected, and a decision shall be rendered within 90 days after the controversy arises, unless an extension of time it is mutually agreeable to all parties. The salary and expenses of the arbitrator shall be borne equally by the carrier and (i) the organization or organizations representing employee or employees or (ii) if unrepresented, the employee or employees or group or groups of employees. The decision of the arbitrator shall be final and binding on the parties.
(b.) The above condition shall not apply if the parties by mutual agreement determine that an alternative method for dispute settlement or an alternative procedure for selection of an arbitrator is appropriate in their particular dispute. No party shall be excused from complying with the above condition by reason of having suggested an alternative method or procedure unless and until that alternative method or procedure shall have been agreed to by all parties.

 

[Beetle007]

Final Bill that was signed into law (do a word search for "Mohawk" and you will find the relevant section)

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-2764

Allegheny-Mohawk protections. (Only sections 3 and 13 are provided by law). The original bill that was never passed would have given us all 13 protections. It would have also made mergers far less likely due to financial constraints on the company.

http://www.nwaflightattendants.com/Allegheny Mohawk LPPs.htm

 

[scarlet]

I did warn you weeks ago and you said I knew nothing? Next two weeks =tale tale sign for Frontier

good luck to the pilots and employees at spirit ! Have friends there in FLL,DTW...

Hopefully oil goes to 60-70 a barrell soon!!!

 

[600rvr]

Eff spirit... eff jblue and eff this industry in the US. Thanks to mesa and the rest for the race to the bottom. Oil is expensive.. this is true... but tickets don't need to be given away. It should be a criminal offense to run an airline with over 80% of the seats filled and still be operating in the red. Charge enough to cover costs and make a profit. WTF it's pretty simple people.