NWA/DELTA Joint Contract

[1st Rate]

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[samballs]

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/myfo...ale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

The pictures funny. DL has so many RJS they used one in the picture. The reporter probably thinks thats all DL fly's.

 

[Superpilot92]

lets hope this is the first big step in the right direction!!

 

[Truckdriver]

lets hope this is the first big step in the right direction!!

Hopefully the deal is worth more than LOA 19 was worth.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Hoping for the best for you, but.....

lets hope this is the first big step in the right direction!!

I hope you guys come out on top.
Looks bad that AFA was voted down by DL FAs...call me a cynic, but I would make &*%$% sure that NW guys are protected from being furloughed first. I get suspicious when I see how DL pilots are being "led" (in w/mgt), and also seeing "438" planned to hire in Fall of all times.

Be VERY suspicious about the potential for attempts to make the playing field FURTHER unequal in hopes of mgt getting the pilots to decertify ALPA. Lee Moak also adds to the raised suspicions by his actions, and I HOPE that he hasn't been drawn to the allure of big compensation for leading you mgt's way.

You know that decertification is the next move against AFA and the mechanics union.

Good luck guys...hoping for the best

 

[Superpilot92]

I hope you guys come out on top.
Looks bad that AFA was voted down by DL FAs...call me a cynic, but I would make &*%$% sure that NW guys are protected from being furloughed first. I get suspicious when I see how DL pilots are being "led" (in w/mgt), and also seeing "438" planned to hire in Fall of all times.

Be VERY suspicious about the potential for attempts to make the playing field FURTHER unequal in hopes of mgt getting the pilots to decertify ALPA. Lee Moak also adds to the raised suspicions by his actions, and I HOPE that he hasn't been drawn to the allure of big compensation for leading you mgt's way.

You know that decertification is the next move against AFA and the mechanics union.

Good luck guys...hoping for the best

I think DAL mgmt knows not to toy around with the NWA pilot group any further and they need this done just as much as we do. We shall see

 

[General Lee]

I hope you guys come out on top.
Looks bad that AFA was voted down by DL FAs...call me a cynic, but I would make &*%$% sure that NW guys are protected from being furloughed first. I get suspicious when I see how DL pilots are being "led" (in w/mgt), and also seeing "438" planned to hire in Fall of all times.

Be VERY suspicious about the potential for attempts to make the playing field FURTHER unequal in hopes of mgt getting the pilots to decertify ALPA. Lee Moak also adds to the raised suspicions by his actions, and I HOPE that he hasn't been drawn to the allure of big compensation for leading you mgt's way.

You know that decertification is the next move against AFA and the mechanics union.

Good luck guys...hoping for the best

Our FA's have enjoyed their "relationship" with management, and it is no secret that if DL takes care of the ATL FA's (the largest base), then they will never vote in the AFA. All they have to do is make sure 50.000001% don't vote for it. So, they treat the ATL stews the best, with better trips etc. No secret there.

What about the rumor that we will be hiring? Maybe, I guess. I don't know if that will be true with even higher gas coming. Why would they hire in the FALL? Well, we are a "Spring/Summer" airline, which are our two larest seasons. We do a lot of training in the Fall and Winter, to prepare for those seasons. Also, we will be having seperate operating certificates for awhile (until the end of 09), and if we get new airplanes on our side, (737-700s, 777LRs, MD90s), then we will have to staff them. No secret there.

You don't really sound like the voice of reason, rather the voice of a paranoid person. We shall see.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[contrail67]

The pictures funny. DL has so many RJS they used one in the picture. The reporter probably thinks thats all DL fly's.

Not to mention the picture of the compass pointer pointing to the Northeast on the NWA jet....what a joke.

 

[d.fitz]

Not to mention the picture of the compass pointer pointing to the Northeast on the NWA jet....what a joke.

Not sure if you are joking, but the right side of the tail looks like that on all NWA planes... ???

 

[contrail67]

Not sure if you are joking, but the right side of the tail looks like that on all NWA planes... ???

Yes...that is the joke...(right side of NWA aircraft with new logo) has the pointer (Compass pointer) pointing to the northeast and left side points to the northwest...thus Northwest Airlines....original logo pointed to the northwest on both sides.....was a big oops when the new logo was put on. Someone forgot to notice this.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

You don't really sound like the voice of reason, rather the voice of a paranoid person. We shall see.....
Bye Bye--General Lee

Um, you mean the voice of reality when discussing a company whose HR VP is one of the FOUNDING MEMBERS of union busting law firm Ford & Harrison (Delta). Such a great "relationship" that they needed Mike Campbell on property.
Keep fooling yourself...you'll wish you were so "paranoid" when you get a good taste of what that firm is all about. I am sure Continental pilots would be happy to tell you all about Mr. Campbell's stint there.
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=109308&highlight=Ford+&+Harrison

 

[DrewBlows]

Yes...that is the joke...(right side of NWA aircraft with new logo) has the pointer (Compass pointer) pointing to the northeast and left side points to the northwest...thus Northwest Airlines....original logo pointed to the northwest on both sides.....was a big oops when the new logo was put on. Someone forgot to notice this.

They didn't forget they just decided that it was more important to have a logo that was pointing forward than to have a logo that aligned with the name of the company. For some reason the people who design aircraft paint schemes always want the logo to point forward and recently they don't want all of the logo on the tail. Reference NWA, DAL, UAL, among others. I think they all used the same guy to design their liveries. US Airways apparently didn't get the memo because the logo actually fits on the tail, but for some reason the flag on the right side of the airplane flies upwind.

 

[RedRum]

They didn't forget they just decided that it was more important to have a logo that was pointing forward than to have a logo that aligned with the name of the company. For some reason the people who design aircraft paint schemes always want the logo to point forward and recently they don't want all of the logo on the tail. Reference NWA, DAL, UAL, among others. I think they all used the same guy to design their liveries. US Airways apparently didn't get the memo because the logo actually fits on the tail, but for some reason the flag on the right side of the airplane flies upwind.

I agree on the logo pointing forward. It is like the American flag that you see painted on the fuselage. Same thing there. Also I heard that it may have been cheaper to paint them with both arrows pointing the same way. Just what I have heard as an explanation for the "error" It just gets accentuated when you have an airline named Northwest and you are pointing in the wrong direction. Believe me, plenty of people can draw their own conclusions from this error.

Still hope we are heading in the right direction.

ONE AIRLINE ONE CONTRACT

 

[dtfl]

I hope you guys come out on top.
Looks bad that AFA was voted down by DL FAs...call me a cynic, but I would make &*%$% sure that NW guys are protected from being furloughed first. I get suspicious when I see how DL pilots are being "led" (in w/mgt), and also seeing "438" planned to hire in Fall of all times.

Be VERY suspicious about the potential for attempts to make the playing field FURTHER unequal in hopes of mgt getting the pilots to decertify ALPA. Lee Moak also adds to the raised suspicions by his actions, and I HOPE that he hasn't been drawn to the allure of big compensation for leading you mgt's way.

You know that decertification is the next move against AFA and the mechanics union.

Good luck guys...hoping for the best

Before I place you on my ignore list.....

The NWA should get furloughed if their 9s go away...AND DAL guys should get furloughed if the 9s stay and 88s go away. So stop your cheerleading for airlines you don't work for.

Second....the ugly truth is the word "merger' is just to make the media happy. Its not a merger...it's an acquisition.
I want to obtain a fair SLI, if nothing else, for the sake of working with happy people, but fair is fair. However, with this not actually being a "merger" there are some crazy expectations and wants out there...if those goes to arbitration and the arbitrator views it as an acquisition.....it might get ugly.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Call it what you want, but the very worst arbitration would most likely result in a nic award. There will not be anything resembling aa/twa again. You say fair is fair care to give your definition of fair? And if you say relative seniority give me your exact idea of what that would be?

Before I place you on my ignore list.....

The NWA should get furloughed if their 9s go away...AND DAL guys should get furloughed if the 9s stay and 88s go away. So stop your cheerleading for airlines you don't work for.

Second....the ugly truth is the word "merger' is just to make the media happy. Its not a merger...it's an acquisition.
I want to obtain a fair SLI, if nothing else, for the sake of working with happy people, but fair is fair. However, with this not actually being a "merger" there are some crazy expectations and wants out there...if those goes to arbitration and the arbitrator views it as an acquisition.....it might get ugly.

 

[Superpilot92]

If DALALPA really wants whats best for both groups like some of the DAL guys say then i ask this question. Do you think DALALPA would stand up to DAL mgmt if they try and drag this out? Do you think DALALPA will stand with NWALAPA if DAL mgmt wants to hold NWA pilots back over time? I hope so. That will be where DALALPA to show what their real intentions are and I hope we can get this done together. We shall see. NWALPA and Pilots wont sit back and let it happen anyway but i has the questions for you DAL guys.

 

[PuffDriver]

If DALALPA really wants whats best for both groups like some of the DAL guys say then i ask this question. Do you think DALALPA would stand up to DAL mgmt if they try and drag this out? Do you think DALALPA will stand with NWALAPA if DAL mgmt wants to hold NWA pilots back over time? I hope so. That will be where DALALPA to show what their real intentions are and I hope we can get this done together. We shall see. NWALPA and Pilots wont sit back and let it happen anyway but i has the questions for you DAL guys.

Yes, Yes.

There is a caveat, DALPA will also not put up with the same BS they have been putting up with regarding the NWALPA SLI proposals. The MEC is genuine in everything they put out. They are tiring of the crap coming from the other side, until lately. Things seem to be calming down, and quieting down, from the NWA MEC

 

[DTW320]

Yes, Yes.

There is a caveat, DALPA will also not put up with the same BS they have been putting up with regarding the NWALPA SLI proposals. The MEC is genuine in everything they put out. They are tiring of the crap coming from the other side, until lately. Things seem to be calming down, and quieting down, from the NWA MEC

You're Hilarious.

Sorry that DALPA has had to put up with the BS of NALPA insisting on a fair SLI. I know.....BS isn't it?

"Hey, ___________(insert military call sign here), this is BS from them!!" "You're right__________(insert other military call sign here)
!!!" (executes high five with ________)

How 'bout the "BS" of DAL coming up with 3 measly negotiating days in June? Will DALPA put up with that BS? Guess someone doesn't really think they need to get this done quickly huh? Why would that be? Hmmmmmm

We have a little "caveat" for you too.

 

[slapstick]

it doesn't sound to me like the DL mgmt wants this to drag out at all... quite the contrary.

 

[FDJ2]

If DALALPA really wants whats best for both groups like some of the DAL guys say then i ask this question. Do you think DALALPA would stand up to DAL mgmt if they try and drag this out?

Superpilot, just remember that it's our contract too.

Do you think DALALPA will stand with NWALAPA if DAL mgmt wants to hold NWA pilots back over time? I hope so. That will be where DALALPA to show what their real intentions are and I hope we can get this done together.

It's not all about NWA pilots. It's a joint contract, we'd like some improvements too, and don't be too judgmental, as if the Delta pilots have to prove something to the NWA pilots, because we don't. NALPA will not dictate the negotiating process anymore than DALPA will.

We shall see. NWALPA and Pilots wont sit back and let it happen anyway but i has the questions for you DAL guys.

I has the answers. It's a joint negotiation for a joint contract. You wont sit back and let it happen, but you also wont dictate the agenda or the strategies in the negotiations with management. At the end of the day a joint TA will have to have something in there that both pilot groups want and find acceptable for our joint contract and it will be ratified by both memberships. JMHO

 

[PuffDriver]

You're Hilarious.

Sorry that DALPA has had to put up with the BS of NALPA insisting on a fair SLI. I know.....BS isn't it?

"Hey, ___________(insert military call sign here), this is BS from them!!" "You're right__________(insert other military call sign here)
!!!" (executes high five with ________)

How 'bout the "BS" of DAL coming up with 3 measly negotiating days in June? Will DALPA put up with that BS? Guess someone doesn't really think they need to get this done quickly huh? Why would that be? Hmmmmmm

We have a little "caveat" for you too.

Wasn't talking about the SLI, I was talking about the trash talk. Nice to see that you are prewired to fire though. Tells me where you are coming from. You need to throttle back. It's only june. No sense in blowing a gasket on monday.

As far as caveat, I think the key word in that sentence it "little"

 

[Superpilot92]

I dont know if you misunderstood my post or maybe i didn't present the question properly. I was just asking what would the DALALPAs stance be IF we (NWALPA and DALALPA) come to a joint contract and present it to mgmt only to have mgmt drag their feet with approving it? What then would DALALPAs stance be? Would they stand with us until DAL mgmt approved it or would they let DAL mgmt attempt to bring us up in "Harmonization" over time?

 

[tomgoodman]

A big "if"

it doesn't sound to me like the DL mgmt wants this to drag out at all... quite the contrary.

Yes, if management is telling the truth about the massive economic benefits they expect from a completed merger, then "dragging it out" would make no sense at all.

 

[800Dog]

I dont know if you misunderstood my post or maybe i didn't present the question properly. I was just asking what would the DALALPAs stance be IF we (NWALPA and DALALPA) come to a joint contract and present it to mgmt only to have mgmt drag their feet with approving it? What then would DALALPAs stance be? Would they stand with us until DAL mgmtapproved it or would they let DAL mgmt attempt to bring us up in "Harmonization" over time?

I can only speak for myself. I would stand behind you guys and take whatever actions were necessary to get the deal done in a timely manner. NWA pilots are not my enemy, management is. For those who have forgotten this, read the bankruptcy transcripts!

 

[Superpilot92]

I can only speak for myself. I would stand behind you guys and take whatever actions were necessary to get the deal done in a timely manner. NWA pilots are not my enemy, management is. For those who have forgotten this, read the bankruptcy transcripts!

Thanks for the response. Its nice to see a rational and logical response. We should be standing side by side but unfortunately we are pinning ourselves against on another as opposed to working together either with or against mgmt. :beer:

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Bingo brotha. I am hearing that the joint agreement leapfrogs loa19 and is closer to the feb agreement. What are y'all hearing? Looking forward to getting this behind us and moving forward.

I can only speak for myself. I would stand behind you guys and take whatever actions were necessary to get the deal done in a timely manner. NWA pilots are not my enemy, management is. For those who have forgotten this, read the bankruptcy transcripts!

 

[FDJ2]

I dont know if you misunderstood my post or maybe i didn't present the question properly. I was just asking what would the DALALPAs stance be IF we (NWALPA and DALALPA) come to a joint contract and present it to mgmt only to have mgmt drag their feet with approving it? What then would DALALPAs stance be? Would they stand with us until DAL mgmtapproved it or would they let DAL mgmt attempt to bring us up in "Harmonization" over time?

We'll be on the same side of the table with NALPA so we'll be there with you and you'll be there with us. If DAL management jumps on our (DALPA/NALPA) first proposal, fantastic, but what if they don't?

Then what?

We (DALPA/NALPA) get together and analyze managements proposal, construct a counter proposal and continue to work together on developing a joint strategy to get it done.

DALPA's stated goal is immediate parity. That's our goal, that's what we want.

 

[FDJ2]

Bingo brotha. I am hearing that the joint agreement leapfrogs loa19 and is closer to the feb agreement. What are y'all hearing? Looking forward to getting this behind us and moving forward.

We are all loooking forward to getting this behind us and the entire process too.

JMHO, but I think when management signed LOA19, they knew this was just part of the deal and held some back in reserve for the joint contract. They're not fools, they knew that we (DALPA/NALPA) would be back for a joint contract.

 

[Schwanker]

We are all loooking forward to getting this behind us and the entire process too.

JMHO, but I think when management signed LOA19, they knew this was just part of the deal and held some back in reserve for the joint contract. They're not fools, they knew that we (DALPA/NALPA) would be back for a joint contract.

If they don't sign a joint contract, I expect it could be one of the most expensive mistakes they could make.

Schwanker

 

[Occam's Razor]

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Beam me up, Scotty! There's no sign of intelligent life here!