NWA/DELTA Joint Contract

[PlaneDrvr]

blah blah blah Doo Doo Heads! blah blah blah blah

blah You Are Too! blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah Butt Face! blah blah blah

blah Oh, Huh! blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Beam me up, Scotty! There's no sign of intelligent life here!

Don't have a dog in this fight, Thankfully.

However, Occam, I do have to say that is a very insightful analysis.

For what its worth.

PD

 

[Superpilot92]

We'll be on the same side of the table with NALPA so we'll be there with you and you'll be there with us. If DAL management jumps on our (DALPA/NALPA) first proposal, fantastic, but what if they don't?

Then what?

We (DALPA/NALPA) get together and analyze managements proposal, construct a counter proposal and continue to work together on developing a joint strategy to get it done.

DALPA's stated goal is immediate parity. That's our goal, that's what we want.

Thanks for the response its nice to see some people on here are able to post a reasonable response. I hope you are right and we knock this out quickly.

 

[737 Pylt]

You're Hilarious.

Sorry that DALPA has had to put up with the BS of NALPA insisting on a fair SLI. I know.....BS isn't it?

"Hey, ___________(insert military call sign here), this is BS from them!!" "You're right__________(insert other military call sign here)
!!!" (executes high five with ________)

How 'bout the "BS" of DAL coming up with 3 measly negotiating days in June? Will DALPA put up with that BS? Guess someone doesn't really think they need to get this done quickly huh? Why would that be? Hmmmmmm

We have a little "caveat" for you too.

Thanks for exposing yourself for the dumbass you are. You wrote the same BS diatribe on the alpa national forum!
LMFAO! At least on there you have a picture of yourself!

737

 

[JAM-BRO]

blah blah blah Doo Doo Heads! blah blah blah blah

blah You Are Too! blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah Butt Face! blah blah blah

blah Oh, Huh! blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

Beam me up, Scotty! There's no sign of intelligent life here!

BUHUHUHAAAA

 

[Occam's Razor]

Thanks for exposing yourself for the dumbass you are. You wrote the same BS diatribe on the alpa national forum!
LMFAO! At least on there you have a picture of yourself!

737

Be nice, please. it is in your best interests.

 

[licorice]

If they don't sign a joint contract, I expect it could be one of the most expensive mistakes they could make.

Schwanker

Such a subtly crafted, finely nuanced statement delicately obscuring a quite obvious highly constructive suggestion....hey schwank, you ever thought about being a negotiator??

 

[~~~^~~~]

I can only speak for myself. I would stand behind you guys and take whatever actions were necessary to get the deal done in a timely manner. NWA pilots are not my enemy, management is. For those who have forgotten this, read the bankruptcy transcripts!

I'd like to see the SLI methodology before joining you.

If this joint contract is structured like the February deal that the NWA pilots walked away from because of the SLI, what has changed?

Oh, I get it. The NWA pilots are getting the goodies without the SLI, just like they demanded.

NWA 1
DAL 0

No wonder Occam wants his side to STFU. Why throw rocks when you're winning? After all, you might hit a sheeple and wake him up.

Be nice, please. it is in your best interests.

No kidding. Shhhh. Please be quiet while your union and management award bad behavior.

 

[Superpilot92]

I'd like to see the SLI methodology before joining you.

If this joint contract is structured like the February deal that the NWA pilots walked away from because of the SLI, what has changed?

Oh, I get it. The NWA pilots are getting the goodies without the SLI, just like they demanded.

NWA 1
DAL 0

No wonder Occam wants his side to STFU. Why throw rocks when you're winning? After all, you might hit a sheeple and wake him up.No kidding. Shhhh. Please be quiet while your union and management award bad behavior.

Dont be so quick to pass judgement, none of have all the facts.

 

[Noserider76]

After all, you might hit a sheeple and wake him up.

The sheeple may be waking up.

 

[NuGuy]

I'd like to see the SLI methodology before joining you.

If this joint contract is structured like the February deal that the NWA pilots walked away from because of the SLI, what has changed?

Oh, I get it. The NWA pilots are getting the goodies without the SLI, just like they demanded.

Heyas,

So? As far as NWA pilots are concerned, the contract and the SLI were NEVER connected. It was only the DAL negotiating team that tried to force a connection between the two.

In fact, their strategy was to try to broadcast the goodies, so that senior pilots at NWA would be tempted to vote in contract gains at the expense of the bottom half of the list.

To be honest, 2 or 3 years ago, it MIGHT have worked. The MEC was still run by the red/green show, and the big retirement push hadn't yet started, so you would have had a lot of takers.

But you are now dealing with a group that is wary from being burned time and again and onto stupid management tricks. Now that the "me generation" are mostly retired, the Cobra is back.

Seeing how easy it is for management to come back in 3-4 months and say "sorry guys, looks like we need concessions", it's MADNESS to connect anything so permanent as an SLI to a contract. It is just plain stupid.

I grow weary of saying this, so this will be the last time:

SENIORITY IS NOT FOR SALE, PERIOD.

Contracts are temporary, seniority is forever.

Nu

 

[NuGuy]

No wonder Occam wants his side to STFU. Why throw rocks when you're winning? After all, you might hit a sheeple and wake him up.No kidding. Shhhh. Please be quiet while your union and management award bad behavior.

No, it's not bad behavior. It's called using leverage and good negotiating. It's how we improve things (like contract restoration) with a difficult management.

I'm disappointed in you Fins. Coming from the regionals, I would have thought you would have understood that. You guys in the RJDC would have gained more ground getting a SCP than a PID.

You don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate. They balk, and you hit them HARD where it hurts...in the pocketbook.

THAT'S the NWA way.

Nu

 

[Schwanker]

Such a subtly crafted, finely nuanced statement delicately obscuring a quite obvious highly constructive suggestion....hey schwank, you ever thought about being a negotiator??

I obviously don't have a grasp on the English language nearly as fluently (or is it fluidly) as yourself. I'm just merely suggesting it could be quite expensive for the corporate entity to have a significant portion of their employees dedicated to making things very difficult for management to answer to their shareholders. That's all.

Cheers,
Schwanker

 

[~~~^~~~]

Heyas,

Contracts are temporary, seniority is forever.

Nu

Then lets do the SLI first and vote on it.

What is an SCP? Sheeple Castration Process?

I agree with you. Looks very good from your perspective.

 

[NuGuy]

Then lets do the SLI first and vote on it.

What is an SCP? Sheeple Castration Process?

I agree with you. Looks very good from your perspective.

SCP = Single carrier petition. At PDT (then Henson), they screwed the pooch back in the early 90's...they had one in the bag, and let the mainline talk them out of it in exchange for "promises".

That's NOT the way to do it. You get it in the hand, THEN you force a resolution from a position of strength.

But back to our topic:

Just so I understand your position, why do you feel that the SLI and contract should be linked?

Nu

 

[~~~^~~~]

Nu,

ALPA looked at a SCP. The loss of the SCP at GoJets (which should have been a win) provided a strong indication that a SCP would not be successful for ASA. Delta's pilots were against it, politically.

Back to the topic.

My understanding is that the contract and the SLI are linked inasmuch as the contract will require our agreement to SLI methodology (negotiation, arbitration framework).

It would be my preference to have complete information to base a decision on, but I think we will deliberately be kept in the dark until after events have made an attempt to fight the SLI impossible.

It will be interesting to see what comes out of these joint negotiations. There are several priority items for the NWA MEC that I hope they (we) get.