question for Republic people

[FMEpilot]

Well, not to be picky, but it is $26.35 for a first year f/o at pdt. How much does a first year RAH E170 f/o make per hour? While RAH does pass us on the pay scale at a point, first year pay is very important as we all know. How's your vacation policy?

 

[jellynuts]

cancellation pay?

 

[thepotato232]

Perhaps this sums up what's wrong with the "REGIONAL" world today..... Is it RAH or the RAH pilot isnt interested? Also PDT is turbo props, hmm those seem rather fuel efficient and make pretty darn good money. Hmmm PSA's planes are owned by USair thus perhaps buy the 700's and let Airways take the loss on the 200's? Who knows....

Fact of the matter is the damn EMB burns more fuel then both the 700 and 900. EMB175 more then RJ9 and EMB170 more then the CRJ7....

First of all, it's RAH that isn't interested. It's their stated corporate goal to be an exclusive 70+ seat jet operator as soon as they can get the airframes and the partners. You can lob as many SJS accusations at us as you want, but there's a huge contingency of ex-turboprop drivers here from the old CHQ, Shuttle, or other regionals - myself included - who have flown J-Balls, Metros, Beeches, Brasilias, Saabs, Dashes, or whatever else you care to mention. There are probably more prop drivers here than any of the other jet-only regionals. I doubt many of us would have a problem flying new equipment (Q400, etc), but it's not in the corporate policy. At least not at the moment. Personally, I'd love for that to happen - new flying, new hiring, and a chance to ride the barber pole on final again.

And not to start yet another RJ dick measuring contest, but I've been a guest on enough CRJ jumpseats to know that the fuel burn difference (while notable) is not enough to sink the new ERJs. We're still paying less on maintenance than any of the CRJ companies. These planes are brand new, don't break often, and EMB is willing to give their biggest customer a few breaks here and there. Our CASM numbers speak for themselves. If they're flown properly and operated by a company that doesn't have it's head up it's ass, our planes are competitive. And since everyone is asking, first year pay is $23, vacation policy is fine, no rigs and no cancellation pay. We're essentially still operating on the old CHQ contract with 170/175 payscales tacked on. At least the people who negotiated that contract had the foresight to ensure that RW, RP and S5 were all one group for contract and seniority purposes. I doubt we'll be changing any paradigms with the contract currently in negotiation, but it'll certainly be better than the middling contract we have now.

And to get back to the original intent of the thread, RAH isn't going to be buying Piedmont or PSA. The rumors are there, but it's just the same kind of crap that floats around to either pad the ego of the guy who started it, or to stir up the anthill. I'd guess it'll happen sometime after we merge with Compass and start flying 190s for Southwest (read: NEVER).

 

[meyers9163]

Well lets just leave it as the CRJ at PSA are still under factory warrant as are your EMB crap. Thus its only the routine mx. Not that much mx is happening. Heck our oldest Rj is 4 years if that....


Anyways its a dick measuring contest. But as you already mentioned what's wrongn with the regionals is just that of your corp policy. Wanting only 70 plus seat jets while you are still a regional. Amazing thought.... Keep in mind Compass will never be purchased by RAH. If anything coming out of the talks with NWA/Delta have been they'd take the E175s themselves since they own them anyways and fly them. Also talk to any mainline pilot and they will tell ya they'd rather those be back at mainline. Amazing how that happens. Once one educates themselves they can find out the realities of the industry.

I could care less about fuel burn. I could care less about rumors.... All this ******************** is annoying. Show up do your job go home and STFU. Simple as that. Guess what? I'm pretty sure the regionals you see will be around for a while. Including MESA! yes I said it, INCLUDING mesa.

 

[Axel]

A Canadair pilot can pee further than an Embraer pilot.

CRJ's can pee further than Embraers

PDT pilots' CBA can pee further than RAH's

BB does not want PSA because their wieners are not as big as his.

 

[thepotato232]

It's not an "amazing thought" that a company would want to be a 70+ seat operator - notice what's happened to the 50 seaters lately? Our management guys happened to see this coming a couple of days before most of the others did. And why are you telling me that RAH won't buy Compass when I'm the one who said it in the first place? I would love to see these planes at mainline, just like I would love to see mainline pilots take a stand for the first time in decades and quit bending over on their scope clauses! And I do talk to mainline pilots about the new ERJs. Based on the USAir pilots I've seen who almost universally turn up their noses and laugh at their own 190 fleet, my hopes aren't exactly high for the future of scope.

If you couldn't care less about fuel burn and rumors, then why are you on flightinfo posting your opinions on fuel burn in a thread about rumors? And since you've discovered what's "wrongn" with the regionals, how about we talk about the real problem with regional pilots - everyone's too interested in having their say to shut up and listen every once in a while.

 

[thepotato232]

I do have to take exception with a comment Axel made: After witnessing an incident on the ramp during a potable water refill, I can definitively say that the Embraer can pee further than a Canadair. We just have to MEL the sinks afterwards.

 

[meyers9163]

It's not an "amazing thought" that a company would want to be a 70+ seat operator - notice what's happened to the 50 seaters lately? Our management guys happened to see this coming a couple of days before most of the others did. And why are you telling me that RAH won't buy Compass when I'm the one who said it in the first place? I would love to see these planes at mainline, just like I would love to see mainline pilots take a stand for the first time in decades and quit bending over on their scope clauses! And I do talk to mainline pilots about the new ERJs. Based on the USAir pilots I've seen who almost universally turn up their noses and laugh at their own 190 fleet, my hopes aren't exactly high for the future of scope.

If you couldn't care less about fuel burn and rumors, then why are you on flightinfo posting your opinions on fuel burn in a thread about rumors? And since you've discovered what's "wrongn" with the regionals, how about we talk about the real problem with regional pilots - everyone's too interested in having their say to shut up and listen every once in a while.

The amazing part is you have enough time on your hands to go through and read threads and point out grammar errors and spelling MiStakEs! it just amazes me.... I give ya a 5/10 for the needs a life rating. Thus you are only 50% a loser because unlike most your counter parts you appear to know about scope.

Yet you are also the one who I can guarantee would be perfeclty happy flying the E190 if it were to come to your company. Probably the same guy who would say "Oh but our pay scales better then mainline?" Actually you seem to know your ******************** so I'd assume you arent that guy.

Regardless the point is that no one is buying anyone. Like you said Compass wont be purchased neither would PDT/PSA be. Anyways Colgan would have and be a better fit for a PDT. Why the hell would an all jet airline want to bring on Props? Hell ASA is even getting rid of their own ATRs.

Rumors are just flipping funny these days. I think you'd agree with this one as I mentioned already before, give the flipping rumor mills up. Show up do your damn job and go to F*** home. Stop posting these retarded threads in your spare time.

 

[Popeye0537]

Well, not to be picky, but it is $26.35 for a first year f/o at pdt. How much does a first year RAH E170 f/o make per hour? While RAH does pass us on the pay scale at a point, first year pay is very important as we all know. How's your vacation policy?

Ok, to be exact first year FO's on all A/C make 24.50. RAH passes you every year after first year pay....not that it's great, just better. Don't forget the bonus that we get at Xmas time for making BB a rich man.

Our vacation policy, you mean like the buy back RAH offers at 150% if they are short crews? No cancelling of vacations here.




100% cancellation pay if we hit our completion factor for the month. RAH doesn't cancell unless the A/C cannot fly for the most part.

 

[Popeye0537]

Meyers, you sound like that bitter guy who didn't have the mins to apply at RAH and had to take a job somewhere else. Have you ever been a pax on the CRJ 700? It's funny how you call the 170 a piece of crap......

Compass will be bought, it's just a matter of time and the language of the contract that NWA has implemented reguarding the # of A/C on peoperty.

As for reliability of the CRJ vs. the ERJ, we have had nothing but problems with the 24 A/C that we operate for CAL and BB stated in his tour of RAH that customer service from bombiedier was horrible when compared to Embraer.

The mainline pilots sealed their fate a long time ago by selling out scope. We don't get giddey seeing 190 flying through the air, it's just another A/C. If the mainline guys don't want to fly it someone will and that is just a fact. I would rather a unified group of pilots like the ones at RAH fly them then some non-union mormon group who caves at every chance of a new upgrade.

 

[meyers9163]

Meyers, you sound like that bitter guy who didn't have the mins to apply at RAH and had to take a job somewhere else. Have you ever been a pax on the CRJ 700? It's funny how you call the 170 a piece of crap......

Compass will be bought, it's just a matter of time and the language of the contract that NWA has implemented reguarding the # of A/C on peoperty.

As for reliability of the CRJ vs. the ERJ, we have had nothing but problems with the 24 A/C that we operate for CAL and BB stated in his tour of RAH that customer service from bombiedier was horrible when compared to Embraer.

The mainline pilots sealed their fate a long time ago by selling out scope. We don't get giddey seeing 190 flying through the air, it's just another A/C. If the mainline guys don't want to fly it someone will and that is just a fact. I would rather a unified group of pilots like the ones at RAH fly them then some non-union mormon group who caves at every chance of a new upgrade.

You know it all son, you know it all. BB goes to my church just FYI. Live in Indy. Same guy who left Mesaba high and dry. Glad you enjoy being a pawn in the game son I really do. Best of luck to ya! You are not worth my time nor do I care to debate with ignorant people about scope, unions, work rules etc. Funny even at the above post you are fighting with a guy on PDT stuff. When PDT doesnt fly 86 seat jets around, they arent taking mainline routes, they arent undercutting from others. But like you said you seem to know it all! Oh you did not quite say that but implications are everyting. Continue on with your vast knowledge of the 121 system and why your airline is better then the rest. As its really just a ********************ty/pissing contest. All regionals suck!

 

[Popeye0537]

You know it all son, you know it all. BB goes to my church just FYI. Live in Indy. Same guy who left Mesaba high and dry. Glad you enjoy being a pawn in the game son I really do. Best of luck to ya! You are not worth my time nor do I care to debate with ignorant people about scope, unions, work rules etc. Funny even at the above post you are fighting with a guy on PDT stuff. When PDT doesnt fly 86 seat jets around, they arent taking mainline routes, they arent undercutting from others. But like you said you seem to know it all! Oh you did not quite say that but implications are everyting. Continue on with your vast knowledge of the 121 system and why your airline is better then the rest. As its really just a ********************ty/pissing contest. All regionals suck!

Son?.....that sounds comical comming from someone probably 10yrs younger than me who just got his first job.
I'm not fighting anyone on PDT stuff, just providing facts to some ignorant people.


In the above post you were right on 2 statements,

1. I do know everything
2. My airline IS better than yours.

 

[Airline Driver]

Well lets just leave it as the CRJ at PSA are still under factory warrant as are your EMB crap. Thus its only the routine mx. Not that much mx is happening. Heck our oldest Rj is 4 years if that....


Anyways its a dick measuring contest. But as you already mentioned what's wrongn with the regionals is just that of your corp policy. Wanting only 70 plus seat jets while you are still a regional. Amazing thought.... Keep in mind Compass will never be purchased by RAH. If anything coming out of the talks with NWA/Delta have been they'd take the E175s themselves since they own them anyways and fly them. Also talk to any mainline pilot and they will tell ya they'd rather those be back at mainline. Amazing how that happens. Once one educates themselves they can find out the realities of the industry.

I could care less about fuel burn. I could care less about rumors.... All this ******************** is annoying. Show up do your job go home and STFU. Simple as that. Guess what? I'm pretty sure the regionals you see will be around for a while. Including MESA! yes I said it, INCLUDING mesa.

Typical "Rookie" Statement! Remember this, Rumors are rumors and you can only believe what you see. " Or read hear on Flight Info"

Anything and I mean anything can happen in this industry in this day an age! If North West wants to sell Compass to RAH, then they can, End of story" Why It's business. If RAH wants to sell out and sell everything to Emirates then they can, End of story!! Why, it's business!!

it's Managements game, of who at the top gets the most Money in the end!! As soon as you understand that and realize that the second you say that something will never happen when in fact it could. Then your half way from figuring things out.

 

[ifly4u]

Don't forget Meyers hate leads to the dark side.

 

[SVA_402]

Meyers is just terribly jealous he's not flying an Embraer product. It's no big deal, i'd be more than happy to walk your stuff in at RAH when we start hiring again so you can come fly 190s with us!