CAL to furlough

[SuperFLUF]

anyone know how far back 200 furloghs would go...date of hire.

I have a few friends there hired in the last year to year and a half........hope they are OK

I can't access the online seniority list right now but 200 furloughs would go back about 6 to 8 months.

IF, the 54 aircraft parked in the fall doesn't include aircraft reductions allready accounted for in the Jan bid there MIGHT be a reduction. The last bid (Jan 08) had 205 vacancies for new hires. I don't think we've hired near that many pilots since then and that bid accounted for some aircraft reductions.

 

[pipejockey]

Age 65 extended YOUR career 5 years, too, slick. Of course, you seem to be strictly worried about your upgrade.

Gear up, sonny.

Gee, who do I thank for the privilege of working to 65 now? Anyone who makes it to 60 and still wants any part of this industry has a giant hole in their head and is not fit to fly anyway! All we need is our earning power of the 1990s back and there is no reason we can't plan for a 60 retirement.

 

[Captain Overs]

Yawn! Yes the shroud of doom and gloom has descended. The training department guys are hearing things!

Why stop at 500! Tell them the one about 800 furloughs that some scabby capt told me last week!

Why worry about it. You've got such a great deal to go fly COPA.

 

[regionaltard]

I didn't see a post by that dumb bicth.

A little respect, please. Terminal FPBD is no laughing matter.

 

[Patriot328]

Overheard from the 756 fleet manager: Worst case scenario for the July bid (worst case meaning no COLAs or early outs): Everyone hired in the last year furloughed (about 250 or so).

Impression was that was a very fluid statement (I don't think anyone really knows for sure what's going on). I wouldn't hold it as a firm number by any means.



I have to point out, though. We were supposed to have 250-300 retirements this year at CAL. How fitting they're toying with the idea of furloughing the same number.

Over 60 guys, make sure you at least buy your FO dinner before he gets the ax. It's the least you could do.

 

[Flopgut]

Age 65 extended YOUR career 5 years, too, slick. Of course, you seem to be strictly worried about your upgrade.

Gear up, sonny.

This thread is about [possible] furloughs, not upgrades. There's a significant difference. Although I'm sure it doesn't matter to you.

 

[learflyer]

I am in training at CAL right now.

Every time I get a V1 cut and crash the sim off the jacks, my instructor says,"F*#K!" and then he has to "throw around" numbers like V2 and V2+15 because I am too hungover to remember what to do next if I can ever get the plane under control when he fails one.

So, yeah lots of "F" words and numbers being thrown around where I am coming from.


Sincerely,

B. Franklin

Can't you do a V1 cut?

 

[Guam360]

Can't you do a V1 cut?

of course he can, but didn`t you read, he was too HUNG OVER. sounds reasonable to me.

Ben, don`t seat it, everyone says F%ck here and V1 cut, it is cake with three engines, plus we are at 9 month upgrades.

 

[BigMeat]

Age 65 extended YOUR career 5 years, too, slick. Of course, you seem to be strictly worried about your upgrade.

Gear up, sonny.

Extended my career? How about I fly airplanes so I can live my life. Not I live my life so I can fly airplanes. I know too many of you aviation dorks. If I won a couple of mil. today I would be gone...Next thing that you old crusties are going to want is life support in the a/c. Dont get me wrong I enjoy my job more than most, its still a job.

 

[Palomino]

This thread is about [possible] furloughs, not upgrades. There's a significant difference. Although I'm sure it doesn't matter to you.

precisely.

potentially thousands of pilots could hit the street while others get to add to their stash due to a recent age change.

i don't like that. you won't sway my opinion on it. call me 'sonny' or whatever other derogatory and childish name that you wish. i don't need to hear about paying dues either. i've been thru plenty and have plenty more to add as time goes by. i'm aware.

i could care less about flying to age 65. frankly i think i'll barely be able to tolerate going to age 60. but i don't need much to enjoy life. i'll find something else to fulfill my needs.

i hope ALPA National aggressively provides for the large number of furloughs that will result from this latest downturn. i will vote for anything to provide for those on the street while i still have a job and a vote as a union member.

 

[SFR]

CAL to begin hiring in August again! No furloughs. Hot off press

 

[Jonny Sacko]

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[Jonny Sacko]

M98something, and on. 250 or so if it even happens.

 

[~~~^~~~]

i hope ALPA National aggressively provides for the large number of furloughs that will result from this latest downturn. i will vote for anything to provide for those on the street while i still have a job and a vote as a union member.

They are coming at us from both ends. Age 65 on the top and the belief that fuel costs make scope irrelevant at the bottom.

Hang tough on your scope.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Should have had a rule in there that if the airline has to furlough, they take the over 60 guys first.

 

[Fubijaakr]

This thread is about [possible] furloughs, not upgrades. There's a significant difference. Although I'm sure it doesn't matter to you.

But, YOU'RE the one who is blaming it on Age 65. Like it or not, that's the law now. So get over it.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I love it when you young studs bitch about Age 65.

Sorry, if you think you have a right to my left seat.

You don't.

Get over yourselves.

Gear up!

 

[rf285]

By chance did you graduate with the class of '83?

 

[Flopgut]

But, YOU'RE the one who is blaming it on Age 65. Like it or not, that's the law now. So get over it.

Over it!!

I want to stem possible furloughs. Getting you a raise this time around will be a distant second to that.

You know what I'm going to enjoy? Watching your a$$ get kicked to the curb about the time this job is likely to be getting real good again!! You'll be spouting off about how unfair it is and we'll all just laugh in your face.

Clock is ticking. Save your nickels.

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Guys: You see why I've said all along these guys are just like scabs? They are no less replacement worker than a guy who wants to break a strike.

 

[Flopgut]

I love it when you young studs bitch about Age 65.

Sorry, if you think you have a right to my left seat.

You don't.

Get over yourselves.

Gear up!

BTW: It's Captain Flopgut to you.

 

[Pocono Pilot]

I just had a line check which I passed with flying colors as usual!! and the check airman said that he heard that CAL is going to furlough back to late 06 hires or early 07 hires.

Furlough's are no laughing matter and I think I speak for most XJT pilots that we wish the junior CAL pilots the best of luck in the months to come even though they never stand up for us here.

It's ironic that if I went to CAL I would be gettng furoughed, but instead I will be a Captain at Skywest probably.

I think it is pretty obvious that those of us that stayed at XJT made the right choice. Wow, but who ever can predict these things?

Looks like I kida did though, now if I could just predict the lottery numbers... LOL

 

[Tonto]

The best way to get the old guys out fast is to stop funding their retirement with our money. 1/3 of the pilot group is paying for a retirement we'll never see. STOP FUNDING THE A FUND! That is what I want to see on the next contract.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Extended my career? How about I fly airplanes so I can live my life. Not I live my life so I can fly airplanes. I know too many of you aviation dorks. If I won a couple of mil. today I would be gone...Next thing that you old crusties are going to want is life support in the a/c. Dont get me wrong I enjoy my job more than most, its still a job.

Well, you're in the minority if you look at how many pilots fight to get their medicals back when LTD could cover alot of their expenses while they develop the career they've always dreamed of.

Have you ever been furloughed? Did you make any attempt to stay in aviation, or did you become a zillionaire hedge fund manager and only return when the airline begged and pleaded with you?

It sounds to me like this whole thing came pretty easy to you and that's why you hold it in such low regard. Maybe the guys that came before you are the ones who have faced multiple furloughs, an airline or two shutting it's doors, a bankruptcy judge who decided that the retention bonuses to failing managers was worth more than your pension. Maybe they went on strike while still facing house payments and college tuition bills, but struck just the same and that's why your paycheck is 6 digits.

All those who claim that this airline thing cramps your style should really put their energies into what profits them most and Age65 will be irrelevant.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

The best way to get the old guys out fast is to stop funding their retirement with our money. 1/3 of the pilot group is paying for a retirement we'll never see. STOP FUNDING THE A FUND! That is what I want to see on the next contract.

No the age 60 plus guys will work for free. They don't have a life and don't fly for money but fun.

If you believe that I have some oceanfront property for sale in Arizona.

 

[bizicmo]

I just had a line check which I passed with flying colors as usual!! and the check airman said that he heard that CAL is going to furlough back to late 06 hires or early 07 hires.

Furlough's are no laughing matter and I think I speak for most XJT pilots that we wish the junior CAL pilots the best of luck in the months to come even though they never stand up for us here.

It's ironic that if I went to CAL I would be gettng furoughed, but instead I will be a Captain at Skywest probably.

I think it is pretty obvious that those of us that stayed at XJT made the right choice. Wow, but who ever can predict these things?

Looks like I kida did though, now if I could just predict the lottery numbers... LOL

A Colgan check airman told me all the CAL furloughs were going to be offerred captain positions at emirates.

 

[Quimby]

Extended my career? How about I fly airplanes so I can live my life. Not I live my life so I can fly airplanes. I know too many of you aviation dorks. If I won a couple of mil. today I would be gone...Next thing that you old crusties are going to want is life support in the a/c. Dont get me wrong I enjoy my job more than most, its still a job.

of course, you're not an aviation dork........always someone else, eh?

lots of people that are too cool for flying anymore.

go work in a cubicle & report back.

 

[fyeo777]

If things get that bad, those little jets wont be flying around much longer either, less mainline means less feed. That little RJ expansion after 9/11 wont happen this time, this will be the final shakeout of this industry

 

[Flopgut]

Well, you're in the minority if you look at how many pilots fight to get their medicals back when LTD could cover alot of their expenses while they develop the career they've always dreamed of.

Have you ever been furloughed? Did you make any attempt to stay in aviation, or did you become a zillionaire hedge fund manager and only return when the airline begged and pleaded with you?

It sounds to me like this whole thing came pretty easy to you and that's why you hold it in such low regard. Maybe the guys that came before you are the ones who have faced multiple furloughs, an airline or two shutting it's doors, a bankruptcy judge who decided that the retention bonuses to failing managers was worth more than your pension. Maybe they went on strike while still facing house payments and college tuition bills, but struck just the same and that's why your paycheck is 6 digits.

All those who claim that this airline thing cramps your style should really put their energies into what profits them most and Age65 will be irrelevant.

There are plenty as well who's discilpline and dedication to this profession is such that they know it's a wonderful thing to get to see others take a turn. Throughout the adversities of their careers they stayed relevant and extraordinarily prepared for what would come next. No retirement age limit will work for any of us unless we start to emulate these type pilots. If this profession had never seen the first pilot like you, it never would have seen the second! Get your crap together pal because you will have to retire someday!! We don't want to hear you whine or gloat about retiremnt age on a thread that is supposed to deal with furloughs!! Maybe the moderators could put together a new forum for guys like you: Scabs and scab wannabes!! Then we can talk of saving furoughs without your useless input.

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CAL guys: Call your reps! There is an effort to put together a nice early retirement package by the union and the company (among many other things). Lot's of older pilots would be interested in it if it's good enough.

 

[SuperFLUF]

I love it when you young studs bitch about Age 65.

Sorry, if you think you have a right to my left seat.

You don't.

Get over yourselves.

Gear up!

How is it YOUR seat?

If we go with that mentality, you took it from the Captains who retired before you.

Here's a fact: Every day you get older. You don't have a right to fly forever and you'll be out the door soon enough.

Get over yourself.

 

[Jetjockey]

I love it when you young studs bitch about Age 65.

Sorry, if you think you have a right to my left seat.

You don't.

Get over yourselves.

Gear up!

Hey, the older generation got lucky with a new rule change. If you want to get angry, start with the law makers. I see both sides of he argument. Everyone in this industry took pay cuts over the last 7 seven years. To take a financial hit at age 55 is much harder to recover from than age 30.

No body has a right to a seat, whether left or right. It's based on when you get hired. You upgraded when someone vacated that seat. Just remember there Capt Senior, those "young studs" out number your generation. When contract voting time comes around they might have that same "me first" attitude and be willing vote on changes to that A fund (which they don't have) you're probably hoping won't change.

What goes around usually comes around and karma can be real biatch.